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Old 05-09-2019, 10:14 AM
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I can't understand the reason to nerf Cataclysm set
There is only one build after FG release with Cata set, and it's pretty average. The best Cruci time is 7m, in SR it suffers from lack of RR, boss room takes at least 4m even with easy Nemesis combo due to no RR in Arcanist mastery
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According to this people mostly agree that Cataslym nerf is undeserved

You think that 0.5 sec doesn't matter, but let's suppose that boss room fight takes 2m:
1) Prenerf Cata procs 80 times
2) Now Cata procs 60 times

There is 25% DPS loss. This set isn't OP/popular at all to deserve such things

Also this set has offhand, amulet and belt slots, so it's hard to use it with another elemental set. You can't use +1 to mastery from some Beronath/Conduit/Oleron belt.

The only two popular uses of Cataclysm are Fluff's Deceiver and my Druid. As you can see both builds aren't very strong at all and far beyond truly powerful builds

So the idea is to buff Cata:
1) Return old cd on full set proc
2) Add additional +1 to all skills as a full set bonus
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Old 05-09-2019, 02:11 PM
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+1, already wrote in the hotfix thread. Set was never overperforming. It takes 3 very important slots and it's always been a mid-tier set for weaker classes like Druid or Sorc or Warlock, because it patches up a lot of stats/resists those classes are usually missing. Proc is good but not really overpowered.
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Old 05-09-2019, 02:26 PM
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This set will always either be overpowered or just not picked at all. It doesn't matter what they do with it, you're losing +1 to all skills in X in belt and amulet. If they buff it, it'll be way too strong and every elemental build will take it no matter what, if they leave it, no one is going to pick it.

The only possibility would be to add +1 to skills in both, belt and amulet, but then one set will give +3 to skills, which would be insane. If we're sticking with skills, though, we can remove the +1 to all skills from book (hate wave incoming) and add 1+ to arcanist and occultist to amulet, +1 to nightblade and demolitionist to belt and +1 to shaman and occultist to off-hand (just because pet builds use it ) and add +1 to all skills in the full set completion.


Eventually, completely remake this entire set.
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Old 05-09-2019, 02:31 PM
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This set will always either be overpowered or just not picked at all. It doesn't matter what they do with it, you're losing +1 to all skills in X in belt and amulet. If they buff it, it'll be way too strong and every elemental build will take it no matter what, if they leave it, no one is going to pick it.

The only possibility would be to add +1 to skills in both, belt and amulet, but then one set will give +3 to skills, which would be insane. If we're sticking with skills, though, we can remove the +1 to all skills from book (hate wave incoming) and add 1+ to arcanist and occultist to amulet, +1 to nightblade and demolitionist to belt and +1 to shaman and occultist to off-hand (just because pet builds use it ) and add +1 to all skills in the full set completion.


Eventually, completely remake this entire set.
I haven't seen any caster build with Cataclysm for several months, and now Cata is OP, then why noone doesn't use it? Sorry, is it supposed to be fun?
No Cata build clears Cruci less then 7m, in the whole AoM compendium there was only one Cata build
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I haven't seen any caster build with Cataclysm for several months, and now Cata is OP. Sorry, is it supposed to be fun?
No Cata build clears Cruci less then 7m, in the whole AoM compendium there was only one Cata build
I don't know if you're trying to be funny here or what. I never said it's OP and your message implies I did.
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Old 05-09-2019, 02:36 PM
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I don't know if you're trying to be funny here or what. I never said it's OP and your message implies I did.
Noone uses it, there is only one Cata build for at least one month, I don't why Z nerfed it.
So sorry, I'm now a bit disappointment
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Old 05-09-2019, 02:48 PM
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This set will always either be overpowered or just not picked at all. It doesn't matter what they do with it, you're losing +1 to all skills in X in belt and amulet. If they buff it, it'll be way too strong and every elemental build will take it no matter what, if they leave it, no one is going to pick it.

The only possibility would be to add +1 to skills in both, belt and amulet, but then one set will give +3 to skills, which would be insane. If we're sticking with skills, though, we can remove the +1 to all skills from book (hate wave incoming) and add 1+ to arcanist and occultist to amulet, +1 to nightblade and demolitionist to belt and +1 to shaman and occultist to off-hand (just because pet builds use it ) and add +1 to all skills in the full set completion.


Eventually, completely remake this entire set.
Man, you should check grimtools before writing stuff like that. Set currently gives only +1 to all skills.
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Man, you should check grimtools before writing stuff like that. Set currently gives only +1 to all skills.
You should read my post three more times. You didn't understand a single word.
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Old 05-09-2019, 02:56 PM
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Sets needing minor nerf ( +1 skills in off hand go to bonus fo sets) but proc dont nerf
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Old 05-09-2019, 02:57 PM
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Cataclysm has always been imo a niche set for Elemental proc builds or a nice complement for caster builds that didn't have a good and synergetic off-hand. Besides, the amulet slot is usually very important for casters and cata' would take it.

I really don't see the reason for this nerf either. Especially when we can see how good casters are in this meta ... /s
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