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Old 12-13-2017, 07:58 PM
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Gonna be an huge dick now and probably gonna get a warning but from now on not gonna take anything you say seriously, at least when it comes to builds. Like, nothing all, literally nada.

This is easily one of my most hated elitism attitudes in the entire world.
He says nothing but harsh truth. There are hundreds of builds in GD, but some of them will be weak even if you put all BiS pieces on them (double rare MI's, perfect roll legendaries, etc). While strong builds (most of those posted in OP) can be more powerful even without BiS items.
Now tell me, how i should call those "builds", that die to AoM nemesises or Iron Maiden even wit BiS gear? Or even to Marcell in ultimate, sometimes? If they dont deserve to be called "rubbish", then what does?

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Perhaps that may help because I think that damage bonus to humans is multiplicative instead of additive.
All racial damage bonus is multiplicative with other damage bonuses.
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Old 12-13-2017, 08:01 PM
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He says nothing but harsh truth. There are hundreds of builds in GD, but some of them will be weak even if you put all BiS pieces on them (double rare MI's, perfect roll legendaries, etc). While strong builds (most of those posted in OP) can be more powerful even without BiS items.
Now tell me, how i should call those "builds", that die to AoM nemesises or Iron Maiden even wit BiS gear? Or even to Marcell in ultimate, sometimes? If they dont deserve to be called "rubbish", then what does?
He's pretty much implying that only good builds are the ones that can solo Gladiator Crucible, specially when he asked for builds that can solo it in the same post.
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Old 12-13-2017, 08:08 PM
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He says nothing but harsh truth. There are hundreds of builds in GD, but some of them will be weak even if you put all BiS pieces on them (double rare MI's, perfect roll legendaries, etc). While strong builds (most of those posted in OP) can be more powerful even without BiS items.
Now tell me, how i should call those "builds", that die to AoM nemesises or Iron Maiden even wit BiS gear? Or even to Marcell in ultimate, sometimes? If they dont deserve to be called "rubbish", then what does?
And how many builds in Build Compendium VI fit to this description of yours?
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Old 12-13-2017, 08:19 PM
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He says nothing but harsh truth. There are hundreds of builds in GD, but some of them will be weak even if you put all BiS pieces on them (double rare MI's, perfect roll legendaries, etc). While strong builds (most of those posted in OP) can be more powerful even without BiS items.
Now tell me, how i should call those "builds", that die to AoM nemesises or Iron Maiden even wit BiS gear? Or even to Marcell in ultimate, sometimes? If they dont deserve to be called "rubbish", then what does?


All racial damage bonus is multiplicative with other damage bonuses.



I am one who likes to try stuff, i tried some weird builds and i have to say i don't agree with the above. If a build ,as you say, can't clear aom content and/or nemesis even with great gear it means that the build lacks synergy or is just a mess. Even the most "creative" build if properly crafted is viable , could be slow or not the best for farming in terms of efficiency, but definitely not "trash". Crucible gladiator is another story, being it a stress test it allows a smaller number of options. That is why i'm not a big fan of it.
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Old 12-13-2017, 09:15 PM
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Finally got my clear time to under 4min, best time is about 3:30 with lucky spawns and modifiers

well who says ranged sucks huh
Thats awesome. I'm happy to see more ranged builds.
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Old 12-14-2017, 02:50 AM
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I have made a thread so people can rant about Crucible in the Ideas and Feedback forum; please take the bickering there. People are here to view the best of the best, not to hear griping and grandstanding. I have many words to say about how obnoxious some of these posts are, but I must restrain myself so I don't go off a tirade and make this even more counterproductive.

You do amazing work, Zhuugus. Thank you for personally testing all of these builds, it must be a big chore for you.
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Old 12-14-2017, 10:08 AM
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Gonna be an huge dick now and probably gonna get a warning but from now on not gonna take anything you say seriously, at least when it comes to builds. Like, nothing all, literally nada.

This is easily one of my most hated elitism attitudes in the entire world.
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He says nothing but harsh truth.
I tried to tell them that they are welcome to have their own opinions and play the game the way they like it.
But those people just loathe every opinion that is not similar to theirs. At least this brings up some juicy discussions!

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Thats awesome. I'm happy to see more ranged builds.
Yeah! I'm happy too.

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You do amazing work, Zhuugus. Thank you for personally testing all of these builds, it must be a big chore for you.
Thanks! Grim Dawn brings me a lot of fun these days
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Old 12-15-2017, 01:14 AM
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Gladiator version of the Pyro was made by BladeAndShadow
Unfortunately I forgot to include BWC like korsar intended... I'm still learning

Please consider http://www.grimtools.com/calc/q2MMO142 instead
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Old 12-15-2017, 01:50 PM
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Unfortunately I forgot to include BWC like korsar intended... I'm still learning

Please consider http://www.grimtools.com/calc/q2MMO142 instead
Yeah, not missing flat RR seems good
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Old 12-16-2017, 09:00 AM
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Hey Zhuugus, I have a build that can clear Gladiator in less than 30 mins. This might be worth testing to see if you can add this to your list. Here's the link: http://grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65552
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