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Old 05-03-2019, 07:45 PM
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Default EoR WL: 3x naked cruci clear in ~24 minutes + Death on 160

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Crafting challenges I imposed on myself:
- No greens allowed
- No SR amulet used
- No retal damage
- No shield
- Minimal IT damage

Result: The WB WL tears through everything with incredible safety. It boasts a peak naked clear time of 7min 25s.

In its current state, the WB WL surpasses most buffed/bannered builds in the crucible.

So I'd like to pose a genuine question to the forum: Would you consider this balanced?

WB Sentinel
Unfortunately, I couldn't be bothered recording any videos for it - suffice to say that it cannot hope to compete with the WL.

The constant interruption from casting CoF + pox alone is a huge DPS gimp.

The one real advantage it offers is BoD.

You could get manticore in your devotion pathing, but this only serves to further hamper your struggling defence.

I've tried hard to make it work, and it just isn't worth it.

In other words, the WB WL will actually have MORE RR than the WB sentinel.

Flat damage from Solael's witch blade is also meh at best as only 56% of that will be applied to EoR. This makes the %phys damage offered by the soldier class more or less equivalent in terms of DPS.
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Old 05-03-2019, 07:47 PM
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That's the easiest question I've answered all week, of course that's not balanced. You proved it yet again, it's not rocket science.
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Old 05-03-2019, 07:49 PM
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I'm really just trying to keep an open mind. Perhaps the problem lies with the skill itself, or with the WB set, and not the WL per se.

Or maybe it's a combination of all 3 things.
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Old 05-03-2019, 07:51 PM
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7.25 is dangerous close to my best times I recorded in FG with 4b/1banner.Warlords...
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Old 05-03-2019, 08:02 PM
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I'm really just trying to keep an open mind. Perhaps the problem lies with the skill itself, or with the WB set, and not the WL per se.

Or maybe it's a combination of all 3 things.
I don't think it's the skill itself, or all builds would be great with it, which they obviously are not. It's mostly the set I think, and a little bit the fact that soldier builds have no problem with casting debuffs and such, just hold down that button and they're fine.
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Old 05-03-2019, 08:04 PM
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Is this the DW version with a Bero sword offhand then?

And if so, how much of this is the synergy between the set and the sword?
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Old 05-03-2019, 08:07 PM
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Preface - everything I'm about to say is just my opinion, so take it as you will.

While beronath sword is undoubtedly BiS, the the sword does impose an inherent 10% drop in phys damage (it has 10% armor piercing).

This seems fair to me.

I also don't think the OP'ness can be attributed to the sword/set combination alone, because if it did, the sentinel would be more competitive.

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Old 05-03-2019, 08:12 PM
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All I have to say is:

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While beronath sword is undoubtedly BiS, the the sword does impose an inherent 10% drop in phys damage (it has 10% armor piercing).

This seems fair to me.

I also don't think the OP'ness can be attributed to the sword/set combination alone, because if it did, the sentinel would be more competitive.

EDIT: @avyctes - I'll PM you my explanation.
...not quite a 10% drop in phys damage. First off, pierce mods on weapons are local so any mainhand hits and all your soulfire damage will be completely unaffected. Also, while I have no hard proof, I really doubt the pierce ratio would work on already converted damage.

Good point about that still not helping explain why the sentinel falls down though.
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Old 05-03-2019, 08:26 PM
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Why warlord is the best spinner, in my opinion:
  1. For maximum spin efficiency, you need to be spinning as much as possible, this is easy for a warlord because your resist reduction is almost all passive, put assassin's mark on guardians, nothing to do there. All you need is the occasional warcry and that's it. Soldier has most of its power in passives and auras, very efficient. Other classes have self buffs, debuffs and whatnot to cast, which lowers the time available to spin, which is bad.
  2. Physical damage is the easiest type to debuff, since there are very few moving parts. Only one devotion proc as mentioned, which can be put on a pet, and war cry, which has a long cooldown. After you cast it you have up to seven seconds of uninterrupted spinning time. No need for CoF, wind devils or anything like that. Efficient.
  3. The best EoR set just happens to be both physical and tailored to warlord, reinforcing the previous two points.
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