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Old 04-10-2018, 05:46 AM
sir spanksalot sir spanksalot is offline
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Let low level characters move their skill points all over the place as much as they like to experiment, see what works, how it works, etc. And high level characters could do a major respec but the cost would not be completely negligible (but also not punitively extreme). I'd consider c*level to be pretty reasonable, with the constant c somewhere between 1-10.
Okay. Fair assessment, and one I can get on board with.

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Very often do I see people who've been at the game for dozens or even hundreds of hours who do not know how to craft their own characters because they've simply been looking at build guides from the instant they bought the game.
Couldn't agree more here.

In addition, blindly following the a guide will result in a MASSIVE waste if time - why? Because most of the guides posted on this forum are extremely item specific. Often times they rely on stonehide of kings, MI rings, etc. etc. etc.

The purples alone are going to be hard af for any new character to get.

What then happens is hours of investment into a toon which is lackluster, not because the toon itself is bad, but because it lacks the necessary items to shine.

Players will then repeat this process and find another guide start this process all over again.

As such, the player will spend more time levelling than building up a solid item pool.

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The exception is some rare items called “Moster infrequents” or “MI”, which are moderately good items dropping from some specific bosses or monsters, and are okay for leveling, not top end game though.
WHAT! MI's with baller affixes are literally BiS for MANY builds.

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Old 04-10-2018, 05:59 PM
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Failure is progress.
Agree, but success is progress as well. For those who hate "studying" mechanisms and prefer to learn along while playing and experiencing the game, it's good to find a tested build and play along your first few playthrough. Or prefer to limit the unknown factors and narrow them down, until they get hold of the game, before theory crafting.

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It's perfectly fine to muck up your first character.
True, but I don't like that, first character is too early for me to theorycraft. If I wanted to go deep unprepared, I'd get game at launch. But as I waited couple years to get it, people have experimented a lot, and I like to learn from them, no shame to have the way paved for me for couple playthrough.

Though I still experiment within the build, making my own modified version as go, but my own unique builds comes later, not at first. It's just a different approach.

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In addition, blindly following the a guide will result in a MASSIVE waste if time - why? Because most of the guides posted on this forum are extremely item specific. Often times they rely on stonehide of kings, MI rings, etc. etc. etc.

The purples alone are going to be hard af for any new character to get.
That's why build Compendium have a rank for gear dependency for every build (G1, G2, ... , G5). Plus you don't have to follow the guide blindly as we discussed earlier, people can make their own adjustment while following a certain concept. Some are forced adjustments, since they would have diffrent items than the build owner, while some will be preferences, like someone loving a devotion proc over other.

In the end, you don't need to be 100% optimized to be efficient. And not everyone play hardcore.

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WHAT! MI's with baller affixes are literally BiS for MANY builds.
Sorry, my wording isn't perfect. I mean all the MIs players will get tons of while leveling, the ones without these certain specific exact affixes, which are most of MI? New players shouldn't bother farming for these affixes anyway. They most likely don't know the whole thing, that's for top level optimization.

There are a number of exception ofc, like ABB Frostburn Blademaster would always find the one handed MIs from Undead to be best in slot from level one until he finds a Crescent Moon. Or some of the MIs added/modified with the expansion, but I'm trying to keep the OP simple.

If you strongly believe this will lead to misinformation, please let me know and I'll rewrite that part.
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Old 04-10-2018, 07:08 PM
sir spanksalot sir spanksalot is offline
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If you strongly believe this will lead to misinformation, please let me know and I'll rewrite that part.
I think it might mate. Putting in a few words to clarify things like, 'Without the proper affixes, most MI's in the game are moderately good items dropping from some specific bosses or monsters, and are okay for leveling, not top end game though.'
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Old 04-13-2018, 08:17 PM
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At first, pet builds were weak thus i wish i knew that...
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