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Old 11-07-2016, 04:13 AM
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WT makes you sit like a bump on a log and lure enemies to its 5m radius area of effect. If it were something like, say, a D2LoD Druid's spirit and it followed you around with an "aura", I might go for it. Field Command/Squad Tactics are nice (though it takes gobs of reserved energy), but I'm pretty sure there's no way I can get both that and what I need for Heart of the Wild on this build. It's going to be one or the other, because I don't think I can really half-ass either on points.
You can control WD with pet attack and make sure it sticks on a hero/boss in mobs

Focus hard on lightning or bleed and get resist reduction.

Widow is god tier, having aether bonuses doesn't make it bad
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Old 11-07-2016, 04:45 AM
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That's a decent belt, but I don't see how it obsoletes Wildblood set. I'm seeing some crazy good Bleed % bonuses on the Wildblood ability, not to mention the weapon itself is absolutely amazing statwise (+attack speed, bleed%, ADCTH, +to Feral Hunger and Devouring Swarm). The skill bonuses on the other set pieces are wasted, but they still offer resists, damage and yet more bleed %. Leaves a number of other slots open, as well.
The proc on the belt, not to mention the 5% chance of a large flat bleed both allow stacking large amounts of flat bleed. These amounts of flat bleed are high enough that I'd take them any day of the week over 400% bleed*, even if that 400% bleed had 100% uptime, which the wildblood set doesn't. Also you lose your weapon slot to the set which means no Bloodsong, no Brutallax, no Guillotine (although I never really liked the Guillotine anyways...).

*it is easy enough to already be well over 1000% bleeding bonus without this proc, over 1200 once cunning is accounted for. So we're talking about a ~30% increase in damage that is only up 50% of the time or less. Or in other words a 10-15% damage increase for the set 4 piece.

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I never wanted to be PURE bleed, mind you.
Most times in this game, if we're talking about level 85 builds anyways, damage is either you go all in or you get the hell out and focus on a different type. Anything else just gimps you as it can get hard to stack all the differing types of % damages you need. Some combos allow stacking two types of damage at once such as Aether/fire, chaos/vitality, light/fire or light/cold without gimping you too much. Some combos try to work that way and don't quite make it - such a pierce/cold, vitality/bleed, vitality/acid - and others you'll pay a heavy price if you try to hybridize beyond "incidential" damage. For a warder you can reliably spec physical, or you can reliably spec bleed. You can even do physical with a side of bleed but you'll still be looking at 10k/sec bleeding when you are bashing enemies for 30k+ a sec with your mace. Barely even qualifies as hybridizing your damages at that point.

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I was under the impression that Scars was absolutely godly for a passive at higher difficulties for the armor absorption, and it scales well with points past the hard 8. Decorated Soldier does well with more than hard 8 as well, and the resists (for higher difficulties especially, allows me to focus more on other resists like Vit with my gear) and phys damage are very nice to have (because I still like having that physical damage behind the bleed). Veterancy, again, a wash, I can cut it out but I liked having that little bit of regen to reap % regen bonuses with.
You are correct about Scars of Battle, I mixed up Scars of Battle/Decorated Soldier. Scars = 8 points after +skills, Soldier = 1-2 points only, and if it is boosted from other sources then great.

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Old 11-09-2016, 11:46 PM
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Alright, so after some tinkering in Grim Calc and input from some more people, I decided to go mostly Physical rather than all Bleed, and hammered this out.

http://grimcalc.com/build/1006-AOeSoD

Still deciding on devotions. Wondering if it's worth going Oleron, and if it's actually possible to get both Oleron and Kraken (Kraken is an absolute must).

The WPS skills are high because apparently a full investment in Savagery alone simply will not get me the DPS I need. If you think I can do with lower investments in WPS skills, let me know, because I would honestly just as soon lower ZT and MA to 9 points invested and find homes for the extra 6 points elsewhere.

EDIT: Changed Decorated Soldier to 1 point invested, used points freed to max Feral Hunger. http://grimcalc.com/build/1006-tp0G6X

EDIT 2: Still contemplating cutting out Upheaval altogether, and dropping that point into something like Menhir's Will, Brute Force, or Tenacity of the Boar.

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Old 11-10-2016, 12:29 AM
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Doesn't Upheaval block wps skills? If so (I'm not sure) you should really remove that point since you have tons of points in wps skills.
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Old 11-10-2016, 12:53 AM
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Alright, so after some tinkering in Grim Calc and input from some more people, I decided to go mostly Physical rather than all Bleed, and hammered this out.

http://grimcalc.com/build/1006-AOeSoD

Still deciding on devotions. Wondering if it's worth going Oleron, and if it's actually possible to get both Oleron and Kraken (Kraken is an absolute must).

The WPS skills are high because apparently a full investment in Savagery alone simply will not get me the DPS I need. If you think I can do with lower investments in WPS skills, let me know, because I would honestly just as soon lower ZT and MA to 9 points invested and find homes for the extra 6 points elsewhere.

EDIT: Changed Decorated Soldier to 1 point invested, used points freed to max Feral Hunger. http://grimcalc.com/build/1006-tp0G6X

EDIT 2: Still contemplating cutting out Upheaval altogether, and dropping that point into something like Menhir's Will, Brute Force, or Tenacity of the Boar.
If you are going Physical damage then I would suggest you go Cadence instead. If you want to use Savagery then choose Stormcaller's Pact. The bonuses from Oleron's doesn't really benefit Savagery as much as Stormcaller Pact.
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Old 11-10-2016, 01:16 AM
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Doesn't Upheaval block wps skills? If so (I'm not sure) you should really remove that point since you have tons of points in wps skills.
After some talk in the GD Discord with Ceno (and a bit of initial confusion on my part) it's apparently WPS skills that interfere with Upheaval.

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If you are going Physical damage then I would suggest you go Cadence instead. If you want to use Savagery then choose Stormcaller's Pact. The bonuses from Oleron's doesn't really benefit Savagery as much as Stormcaller Pact.
Contemplated Cadence, but it doesn't play as nice with Feral Hunger as Savagery. Feral Hunger is actually pretty important because of the ADCTH. I also considered pulling out of Oleron's Rage and using Defiler to roll back my Soldier mastery a bit so I could afford Stormcaller's, but there isn't really that much lightning on this build so I don't know how justifiable an investment in Stormcaller's would be. Also, the %OA in Oleron's Rage is really nice, compensates for the relatively low Cunning investment.

EDIT: Toyed around with the devotion screen for a while, managed to come up with a Devotion spread that lets me get Blind Fury from Oleron (but not complete the constellation), plus Kraken and Behemoth, and doesn't force me to commit to a single weapon type by choosing something like Rhowan's Scepter. The downside? I have to take Wolverine to make it work, and all Wolverine really has to offer me is some DA. http://grimcalc.com/build/1006-iSuvV2 (devotions only) Long and convoluted process to get it to work. Involves initially taking Fox after Falcon to grab Kraken since Falcon doesn't give enough Eldritch affinity by itself, taking Crossroads Chaos to snag Behemoth and Crossroads Primordial for Bull, and then later on dropping Fox and CR: C and P entirely. Debating switching to Panther instead of Bull, and dropping the extra devotion point into Oleron for more goodies.

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