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Old 11-08-2018, 07:24 PM
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And I think the number one fear in the Diablo community is that there is no Diablo 4 in the works
Well supposedly it's been in dev for 5+ years now, but has changed direction at least 2 times. The real fear would be that it suffers the same fate as Deus Ex or Duke Nukem Forever, and comes out 10 years later, when no one cares about it anymore.

Granted Deus Ex was a good game, but probably not played by very many of the people who were looking forward to it when it was first announced. :\

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The real fear would be that it suffers the same fate as Deus Ex or Duke Nukem Forever, and comes out 10 years later, when no one cares about it anymore.
And there I thought the more obvious game to make that connection with would have been the 12 year period between D2 release and D3

Which didnt phase them in the slightest.. nor hurt their profit margin by all accounts.

Then again, to be fair, they still had most their fanbases goodwill prior to D3. I suspect D3 itself did cost them a good chunk of their D2 fanbase tho.. but they already had their money. And then they took the money of all the new gens who didn't hold any D2 loyalty.

And now this "fiasco".

So I guess it would be hard to say how an overlong period would turn out for sure the next time around.... then again, they are aiming to break harder in to China so maybe they aren't really that worried regardless.

Makes me kinda curious what the Chinese fans think about this situation. Do they care? Or just find it amusing watching the Westerners freak out?

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Old 11-08-2018, 09:15 PM
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And there I thought the more obvious game to make that connection with would have been the 12 year period between D2 release and D3

Which didnt phase them in the slightest.. nor hurt their profit margin by all accounts.

Then again, to be fair, they still had most their fanbases goodwill prior to D3. I suspect D3 itself did cost them a good chunk of their D2 fanbase tho.. but they already had their money. And then they took the money of all the new gens who didn't hold any D2 loyalty.

And now this "fiasco".

So I guess it would be hard to say how an overlong period would turn out for sure the next time around.... then again, they are aiming to break harder in to China so maybe they aren't really that worried regardless.

Makes me kinda curious what the Chinese fans think about this situation. Do they care? Or just find it amusing watching the Westerners freak out?

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Google is your friend powbam. Seems they're just as furious about it as everywhere else in the world is.

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/d3/topic/20769688647

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Google is your friend powbam.
Hey that's my line medea I was feeling lazy watching Joe Rogan podcasts.

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Then stop lazying around fantasing you're Zantai in his zentai suit relaxing on his yacht drinking tri-beers and google.
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Then stop lazying around fantasing you're Zantai in his zentai suit relaxing on his yacht drinking tri-beers and google.


Now I'm watching Rhykker's Blizzcon reaction..



..dude is seriously bent out of shape. Almost feel sorry for him. First world probs are rough indeed.

He can always stream GD now! Ha.

***hard listening to him. He's virtually grovelling, you can tell he feels like his whole career is going down the tube. Something to consider if you want to be a streamer.. maybe branch out a lil.

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And there I thought the more obvious game to make that connection with would have been the 12 year period between D2 release and D3

Which didnt phase them in the slightest.. nor hurt their profit margin by all accounts.

Then again, to be fair, they still had most their fanbases goodwill prior to D3. I suspect D3 itself did cost them a good chunk of their D2 fanbase tho.. but they already had their money. And then they took the money of all the new gens who didn't hold any D2 loyalty.

And now this "fiasco".

So I guess it would be hard to say how an overlong period would turn out for sure the next time around.... then again, they are aiming to break harder in to China so maybe they aren't really that worried regardless.

Makes me kinda curious what the Chinese fans think about this situation. Do they care? Or just find it amusing watching the Westerners freak out?

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Hahah yeah, but the D2 people were still happy playing D2 Yes, D3 killed much loyalty with the RMAH money grab, and then I don't think the laziness of GRifts and subsequently abandoning the game altogether has rekindled any of the love lost...

Blizzard has been sitting on their "You'll like it because we know best, and tell you it's something you like..." bullshit far too long. And it's starting to bite them in the ass.
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i was just being coy about it being a mystery... The timing overlaps pretty closely to other recent events.
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Now I'm watching Rhykker's Blizzcon reaction..



..dude is seriously bent out of shape. Almost feel sorry for him. First world probs are rough indeed.

He can always stream GD now! Ha.

***hard listening to him. He's virtually grovelling, you can tell he feels like his whole career is going down the tube. Something to consider if you want to be a streamer.. maybe branch out a lil.

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i can understand why he's disappointed but to be honest he hasn't helped the situation putting out multiple pieces of content hyping up 'leaks' and over analysing the smallest things that could point to Diablo 2 remaster/ Diablo 4. the same i'm sure can be said for other content creators.
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Old 11-09-2018, 10:27 PM
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Well, since we got medierra actually in thread and somewhat talking I wanna ask something that's been noodling in me brain for a while now.

Are you the sole Big Cheese of Crate or is it actually you and a silent partner? I know Rhis has been in it with you from the start (or at least that's the impression I got from some old, old forum comments by him) so it just seemed odd to me if he didn't have a bit more sway.

Been curious about that for awhile and I suppose I could always ask Rhis on Steam chat but was hoping you'd answer

Rhis always gets 20 thumbs up from me for... reasons. Well 2 specific reasons. 1 way back reason and one midway back reason. He knows why
I consider Rhis something of a partner in spirit but if you mean legally speaking, then yes, I'm the "sole big cheese". I've avoided giving out actual ownership shares because there are various legal and tax implications and I like simplicity of it. Other long-time team members are a bigger part of the company than just being employees as well. So far though, I'm stuck handling all the operational type stuff, much to my chagrin. At the same time, I've worked at other studios that ended up in paralysis for periods because multiple owners couldn't reach agreement on things. So, I listen to people careful and always questions my own position but, ultimately, I have the final say, if it comes to that, although it very rarely does.

To answer your other question about us become a bloated mega-corp - probably not anytime soon haha. The other benefit of being a single-owner company is that I'm pretty happy with how things are and I don't feel like I need anymore money, beyond us just continuing to make profits like we are.
So there isn't much attraction to "blowing up big" for me. I feel like the detraction of having to manage a larger company would greatly outweigh any benefit of moar money at this point.

We've gotten inquiries by potential investors looking to dump some money on us for some bigger project but that just seems like a headache to me, dealing with investors and suddenly having to schedule milestones and report what we're doing, convince outside people to let us do this or that... no thanks!

That said, I wouldn't mind growing a bit more, as I do have an interest in working on different games and it's fun to see things progressing and taking shape - ideally at a somewhat faster rate than often is the case with us haha. Currently we have just enough people to work on our "new game" plus a GD expansion. I think we'll be stretched thin if we start another totally new project. We're actually in a weird spot currently where it would be great to hire another artist to wrap up FG but after that is finished, there would then be a lull before we get the next thing rolling, where we might not have enough work to go around... so it's better to just try to grind through with the team we have for now, then hire later, once future things are in production.

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Yeah, I was including the D2 producer's comment about being in communication with the fan base. I for one hope Crate will continue this with their other games. We haven't heard much about the new town builder and I can understand the team wanting to concentrate on that and not be issuing updates all the time, but I would love it if for another project Crate would consider letting us in on the early development as we've had with GD. For me, following the game as it's been developed has been as much fun as playing the game itself.
As to the question someone asked about the "new project" - well, part of why we haven't shown much of it is due to team size restraints. When you announce / begin to show a game, you want to have some marketing art, a website or whatever set up so people interested can start following the game after that initial buzz... We have none of that yet. So far it's just seemed too painful try to take someone off development to put in the time for that peripheral stuff - yet, until we do that, it doesn't really make sense to announce / show the game.

We do need to get to it pretty soon though as it's nigh time we announced it.

In terms of early community involvement / showing development, there is also some hesitation since, now that we're more known as a company and more eyes are watching, there is some fear that if we show early, really rough-looking stuff like we did in the past, the wider audience may not get it. Early on with GD, it was a pretty small group of mostly TQ fans, so I think people were more accepting of where things were at, although we did get shit on to an increasing degree as word got out, until after the KS, when the current artists managed to redo a lot of the cruder early art.

The new project is looking pretty good now though imo - so currently it's just about getting our act together with the marketing side.


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@medierraAlso, can you comment on when we are going to see the downloadable "Crate Story" pdf for Loyalist/KS backers? I'm guessing at some point after FG, personally, but hopefully you can clear the air on it.
Omg the damn story... it's going to drive me insane. Basically, I thought when GD released, I'd somehow have all this time because the pressure would be off and I could sit back and write the story for a while.

Of course, that's never happened - while we're not under as much pressure to get a game out and financially things are good, I now have to keep a team of people busy, I've still got my own development work that other people need me to finish so they can do their stuff, etc. Plus I have to handle the surprising amount of BS tasks that come up just in maintaining the business and employees. It's insane all the stuff you have to do to be a "legit" business and comply with various state and gov reporting regulations, not to mention keeping up with taxes. There's always some new thing every week.

So that said, I've been chipping away at it. I keep saying I'm going to just sit down and finish it and I worked on it for a day or two but inevitably things come up and it gets put on hold again. Then of course, more time goes by, so there's more interesting things I feel like I should include...

Suffice to say, I really need to wrap it up.
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