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Well, since there is not enough workforce to sustain pension-debt pyramide our wise gouvernement think is a greath idea to increase pension age. Brilliant! Lets 60-year old womens go to workforce marked and find a job! I wonder if these bastards know what 60-years old women on low-cost job look like >_>Social justice, they say. Invest in your future they say.
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Funny thing, the 65 year retirement age was actually an idea of the German Empire under Bismarck pre-WW1. Medicine has taken giant leaps forward in that time, back then they didn't expect people to actually live past 65 if they reached it at all. Nowadays, not so much.
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Funny thing, the 65 year retirement age was actually an idea of the German Empire under Bismarck pre-WW1. Medicine has taken giant leaps forward in that time, back then they didn't expect people to actually live past 65 if they reached it at all. Nowadays, not so much.
Thats not entirely true. Even in 19 sentry there was i high chanse to live intro 70`s if you survived till 40 :roll: Just do not look at the average life expectancy, сause its screwed by newlyborn mortality and war casulty+hunger.
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So basically, you're upset that they can't magically create money from nothing to prop up the pension scheme in your country. And your country's government took one of the LEAST drastic steps possible to keep the whole thing from collapsing. I'm probably never going to be able to retire at all thanks to debt and the bill the Boomers have left our government holding (all the while cackling about how they're spending their children's inheritances on cruises and frivolities). Social Security is dangerously close to being completely insolvent here.

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So basically, you're upset that they can't magically create money from nothing to prop up the pension scheme in your country.
Oh man, out of all governement sturcture pension fond is the worst. I never had any problems with tax collectors, or medical fond, or the most fearsom "syloviky"(never seen them in 12 years in biseness, actualy).
But these shady pension fuckers required my attention every quater. They "lose" data, they send "wrong" numbers and they never can do anything about these "incident" till you come to them personaly or send a nice-writen lawyer letter with some extra postal precaution so its not "lost". And before anyone try to mess with the system they should audit it first. I bet there is a lot of "gaps" and hairy hands that require special attention.
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And your country's government took one of the LEAST drastic steps possible to keep the whole thing from collapsing.
So, what kind of jobs could you offer to 60-years old womens?
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Just do not look at the average life expectancy, сause its screwed by newlyborn mortality and war casulty+hunger.
For any government the average is really the only thing that matters, financially. When state pensions where first introduced they were basically a way to score political points with the masses while not actually having to pay out very much. Cynical, and a century or more later that has come back to bite us in the ass
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So, what kind of jobs could you offer to 60-years old womens?
that is not the question, whatever they are qualified for, and usually that is a gradual increase, so whoever is 60 now will still retire pretty much the same while someone who is 40 now will have to work an extra 2 years or so.

The real question however is, what is the alternative to people working longer, and there really aren’t all that many... and then the next question will be what will all the people do that lose their jobs due to automation, we already had that for a while but in the next 10-20 years that will become a lot more pressing
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So, what kind of jobs could you offer to 60-years old womens?
Secretarial work comes immediately to mind, assuming they know how to answer phones, do basic data entry and so on. I could see a lot of things that are perfectly doable for older folks. Cashiering and teaching/TA stuff, any number of desk jobs...

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For any government the average is really the only thing that matters, financially. When state pensions where first introduced they were basically a way to score political points with the masses while not actually having to pay out very much. Cynical, and a century or more later that has come back to bite us in the ass
Whats matter is the ratio betwen active workforce and retired population. If you have 3 active workers to pay for 1 pensioner then its fine. If you have 3 pensioner for one worker its another story.
Ofc, ppl that didnt meet requirement shouldnt recive any pension. I dont mind to reform workstage requirement to 35-37 years and give no pension to not-retired persons. That, at least, make some sense. Increasing retirement age does not make any sense, its actualy harmfull. You get gerontologyc placeholders everywere.
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