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Old 01-04-2018, 08:23 AM
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G&R seems relevant today more than ever (in my lifetime).
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Originally Posted by Cool Hand Luke - 1967 Film
What we've got here is failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it. Well, he gets it.
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Originally Posted by Guns and Roses - Civil War
Look at your young men fighting
Look at your women crying
Look at your young men dying
The way they've always done before

Look at the hate we're breeding
Look at the fear we're feeding
Look at the lives we're leading
The way we've always done before

My hands are tied
The billions shift from side to side
And the wars go on with brainwashed pride
For the love of God and our human rights
And all these things are swept aside
By bloody hands time can't deny
And are washed away by your genocide
And history hides the lies of our civil wars

D'you wear a black armband
When they shot the man
Who said "peace could last forever"
And in my first memories
They shot Kennedy
I went numb when I learned to see
So I never fell for Vietnam
We got the wall of D.C. to remind us all
That you can't trust freedom
When it's not in your hands
When everybody's fightin'
For their promised land
And

I don't need your civil war
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor
Your power hungry sellin' soldiers
In a human grocery store
Ain't that fresh
I don't need your civil war
Ow, oh no, no, no, no, no

Look at the shoes you're filling
Look at the blood we're spilling
Look at the world we're killing
The way we've always done before
Look in the doubt we've wallowed
Look at the leaders we've followed
Look at the lies we've swallowed
And I don't want to hear no more

My hands are tied
For all I've seen has changed my mind
But still the wars go on as the years go by
With no love of God or human rights
'Cause all these dreams are swept aside
By bloody hands of the hypnotized
Who carry the cross of homicide
And history bears the scars of our civil wars

I don't need your civil war
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor
Your power hungry sellin' soldiers
In a human grocery store
Ain't that fresh
I don't need your civil war
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
I don't need your civil war
I don't need your civil war
Your power hungry sellin' soldiers
In a human grocery store
Ain't that fresh
I don't need your civil war
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no uh-oh-uh, no uh-oh, uh no
I don't need one more war

I don't need one more war
No, no, no, no uh-oh-uh, no uh-oh, uh no
Whaz so civil 'bout war anyway?
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Old 01-04-2018, 10:29 AM
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You're the one saying it. Not I. Nothing I've said implies or hints otherwise.

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It certainly has hinted otherwise. You even said above the guy would be alive if he didn't act in a way that made them think he's the suspect. But he did nothing extreme and to say that putting one's hands near their pockets is a rational reason to be shot, no thanks. The only way that's rational is if cops aren't trained to not shoot first based on wild assumptions.

Anyway we'll just go round in circles here and cops will keep shooting suspects because 'he's comin' right for us!'
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Old 01-04-2018, 12:45 PM
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It certainly has hinted otherwise. You even said above the guy would be alive if he didn't act in a way that made them think he's the suspect. But he did nothing extreme and to say that putting one's hands near their pockets is a rational reason to be shot, no thanks. The only way that's rational is if cops aren't trained to not shoot first based on wild assumptions.

Anyway we'll just go round in circles here and cops will keep shooting suspects because 'he's comin' right for us!'
You're right, this will go in circles. Cuz quite frankly if this had played out exactly as the cops believed it was... with the suspect having truly shot dead his poor father and about to burn the rest of his family down with him not a person here would be saying a damned word about how it had ended except for, "Thank god they got him before he could do the same to his poor mother and brother" ... but since we now have jackasses perpetrating this awesome new swatting phenomenon this is what we get instead.

You're right. Lets keep focusing on the cops here. The swatters are just extra fluff. Probably just innocent bystanders really, no different than abusing an exploit in a video game, they're just taking the same concept and applying it to real life. Fun! It might even verge on pure genius! Look ma, I think I've finally got a handle on this "life-hacking" thing! They only meant a light scare is all, probably actually healthy. Keeps the heart rate up a bit for all those lazy fuggers. Someone should package this shit into a new exercise fad already before the devs boot up a hotfix.



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Old 01-04-2018, 01:50 PM
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You're right, this will go in circles. Cuz quite frankly if this had played out exactly as the cops believed it was... with the suspect having truly shot dead his poor father and about to burn the rest of his family down with him not a person here would be saying a damned word about how it had ended except for, "Thank god they got him before he could do the same to his poor mother and brother" ...
sorry, no, they still should not have shot him then either. He should have been arrested and put in front of a court then.

We are focusing on the cops because we all agree about the swatter...
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Old 01-04-2018, 02:24 PM
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sorry, no, they still should not have shot him then either. He should have been arrested and put in front of a court then.

We are focusing on the cops because we all agree about the swatter...
That's an amazingly neat and clean little world you guys are living in there. Can't wait to visit. Sounds like life is just eating out of the palm of your hand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Bwn69Tvozs
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Old 01-04-2018, 02:54 PM
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That's an amazingly neat and clean little world you guys are living in there. Can't wait to visit.
it’s called the rule of law, stop be when you get the chance
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Old 01-04-2018, 03:00 PM
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it’s called the rule of law, stop be when you get the chance
No doubt. This whole reality thing is getting to be a bummer.
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Old 01-04-2018, 03:10 PM
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No doubt. This whole reality thing is getting to be a bummer.
I am surprised you think him being guilty / innocent makes any difference in whether shooting him was the right thing to do. I already said that they obviously should take the call at face value and despite this his actions as far as we can tell should not have resulted in him getting shot. Guilt has nothing to do with whether the shot was justified.

I grant you there were less discussion if he had been guilty, but it would not change whether the shot should have been fired or not.

Rule of law is the reality, that you (you as a person and the US in general) accept wanton murder by cops as the norm is the problem. You do not even strive for better than that.
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Old 01-04-2018, 03:39 PM
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If I get too dizzy here, I might just close this thread. Seems to be done IMO.
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