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Old 02-12-2018, 11:24 AM
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I'm talking specifically about the 2H version.

Average damage according to grimcalc, before any conversions:
- Mythical Obisidan Juggernaut: 420 physical
- Deadly Momentum lvl 15: 109 physical

15% physical to chaos conversion for the weapon: 0.15*420 = 63 flat chaos damage two out of three hits.

15% physical to chaos conversion from deadly momentum: 0.15*109 = 16 flat chaos damage every two out of three hits.

Average chaos damage per hit: (63+16)*2/3 = 79*2/3 = 52 flat chaos damage every hit.

Average chaos damage every Blitz: 0.15*406 (Blitz flat physical) + (63+16)*3.25 (Blitz weapon damage) = 60 + 256 = 316 flat chaos damage every Blitz.

Isn't that worth 3 points? I'm genuinely curious why it isn't, because to me it seems like it is.
That setup is theorycrafted so I can't comment on it. Personally to me a 3pt investment seems to costly so I didn't go for it
The main thing here is if Blitz is even the place I should be investing or not. If yes, then those 3 pts would be needed for conversion otherwise I might take Blindside to get more DA reduction.
For the S&B version despite the additional WPS those extra 3 points aren't worth it. Had it been a 1 pt investment I'd have considered it

If you have the weapon feel free to toy around the skills and devotions.
When I get Obsidian Juggernaut I can test it out myself
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Old 02-12-2018, 03:21 PM
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That setup is theorycrafted so I can't comment on it. Personally to me a 3pt investment seems to costly so I didn't go for it
The main thing here is if Blitz is even the place I should be investing or not. If yes, then those 3 pts would be needed for conversion otherwise I might take Blindside to get more DA reduction.
For the S&B version despite the additional WPS those extra 3 points aren't worth it. Had it been a 1 pt investment I'd have considered it

If you have the weapon feel free to toy around the skills and devotions.
When I get Obsidian Juggernaut I can test it out myself
I see your point, for S&B isn't really worth it.

My witchblade is level 71 and I'm using Blitz and Chaos Strike (from Riftstone) with Aeon for leveling, and it's very fun and fast. I'll post my impressions after I can wield the mythical version of the mace.
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Old 02-12-2018, 06:13 PM
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I'll post my impressions after I can wield the mythical version of the mace.
I can test it with Non-Mythical version tbh but I am not sure the results would be reliable.
So let us know how it goes for you
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Old 02-18-2018, 05:33 PM
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Keep us posted dudes. I'm fan of OJ, and currently on "[Witchblade] OJ, the Chaos Tank" build, but wouldn't mind to try something new.
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Old 02-19-2018, 08:10 PM
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Hey, cool build! But I don't understand one part of it.

I've tried building a chaos witchblade as well and went 1 in Solael's Witchfire and 12 in Second Rite. You have done the opposite here.

Whereas for a vitality witchblade I'd go 12 in SW and 1 in SR.... and I've a feeling you'd do that the opposite.

What am I missing? Why not invest in the skill that gives the highest %chaos damage? Is that flat chaos damage from SR that good?
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Old 02-20-2018, 01:21 PM
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Hey, cool build! But I don't understand one part of it.

I've tried building a chaos witchblade as well and went 1 in Solael's Witchfire and 12 in Second Rite. You have done the opposite here.

Whereas for a vitality witchblade I'd go 12 in SW and 1 in SR.... and I've a feeling you'd do that the opposite.

What am I missing? Why not invest in the skill that gives the highest %chaos damage? Is that flat chaos damage from SR that good?
You get flat Chaos damage and attack speed from Solael's Witchfire. You can do the math if you want, but it's pretty reasonable to assume that +100% chaos damage that you get from Second Rite when you already have +1400% chaos damage is almost useless when compared to 121 flat chaos and +18% attack speed.

Even if you ignore the flat chaos damage, that +18% attack speed roughly translates into: 0.18*(1400+100)% = +270% chaos damage (I'm assuming that your attack speed isn't capped and that attack speed scales linearly and doesn't have diminishing returns).
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Old 02-20-2018, 05:20 PM
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Is that flat chaos damage from SR that good?
Yes it is

The rest has been explained by Ksajal
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Thank you for the info!

That kind of explains what I did wrong on mine... and will help when I build a battlemage.

I also understand now why I saw all those +flat type of damage on various devotions that I thought was useless. Turns out it's not that useless
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Old 02-26-2018, 10:31 AM
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Very cool build, thanks.
I just tried the 2h version and it's fun ( but maybe a bit squishy).

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Old 02-26-2018, 09:06 PM
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I have a 2h Chaos Witchblade build which I theorycrafted the other day which doesn't use any greens. Might give some ideas in regards to gear and stuff:

https://www.grimtools.com/calc/8NKmXpEV

It has less armor but 5% more physical resist, pretty much the same OA/DA, higher resists via Avenger of Cairn, twice as much Life Steal, slightly higher attack speed, 20% less +crit damage, higher +% chaos damage, more health, and slightly different devotions.

One of the big things that I think will make this build strong is the usage of Korvaak's Deception with 2x Voidheart, which should make blazing charge pretty ridiculously strong.

I use bloody pox instead of Sigil of Consumption. In my experience I've found Sigil's damage output to be pretty meh. I'm only using Pox for the massive OA reduction, it's a similar skill investment for better return, I feel. (Black Death's chance to confuse target may also be nice in certain situations). I invested in Blindside instead of Blitz/Vulnerability for the massive DA reduction. I invested in squad tactics instead of Deadly Momentum for more attack speed, though I can see how Deadly Momentum could be a good investment to respec some points into. Resist reduction appears to be identical, though Malediction might proc more often then Black Star, depending on enemy DA.

EDIT: investing in Ghoul instead of Fiend feels like it would make the build a bit safer to play by providing an extra circuit breaker https://www.grimtools.com/calc/nZorvQlV

EDIT 2: Respecced some points into Deadly Momentum for a fairly large sheet damage increase: https://www.grimtools.com/calc/xZyvxQwN

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