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Old 05-16-2018, 08:56 PM
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Upheaval is weird as all hell. I used to think that Upheaval would override other WPSes long ago but I was informed by someone else that on a crit that it functions as a normal WPS but with a weight of 100% and it sounds to me like some tests match this or come close?
I think it's intended to be a different type of wps that in effect has 100 weight and reduces all other wps weights to 0 for the purpose of that one attack. Not sure, but that makes some sort of sense? Either way, what seems to me to be happening right now is that on a crit upheaval is simply added to the existing wps weighting, with a 100 weight. So you still see other wps and upheaval only some of the time.

That's just a wild guess though, and it also doesn't explain why in korsars video there are basic attacks mixed in when wps weight is well over 100.

General weirdness, would not want to have to fix this
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Old 05-16-2018, 09:04 PM
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I'm all for making it an actual WPS.
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Old 05-17-2018, 06:12 PM
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So I clarified the details with...THE PROGRAMMER... and while I was a little unclear on the details, I wasn't too far off.

The way weapon pool skills work is a weighted pool, that much everybody here knows, I'm sure.

What wasn't clear is that Upheaval itself is a weight of 100, so you're effectively adding 100 to the mix. So in the scenario where you had 113% WPS is actually 213%. This is why you still see Upheaval occur despite having 100%+ chance to do a WPS.

The complication arises in how crits are calculated. That layer of damage actually occurs later in the process. This means that Weapon Pool Skills CAN in fact crit even if you have Upheaval, Upheaval does not override WPS crits.

However, since Upheaval only triggers on crits, any Upheaval "proc" that occurs that is not a crit ends up being a basic attack, which is why you are seeing basic attacks on your tests.


So we are going to address this so that Upheaval behaves as was originally intended, which is that WPS take priority. If you reach 100% WPS, Upheaval will not occur as no basic attacks remain for Upheaval to trigger off of. Any basic attacks that occur outside of a WPS proc will then trigger an Upheaval if they do crit.
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Old 05-17-2018, 06:58 PM
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I think that's all right, that'll mean that as long as you don't have 100% WPS, Upheaval will add some damage when it procs, which is better than nothing.
As long as it doesn't interfere with "better" WPS triggering it has purpose.
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Old 05-18-2018, 07:54 AM
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So any WPS will then reduce the yield of points in Upheaval.

Guess it will remain an absolute niche skill, then.
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Old 05-18-2018, 07:56 AM
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So any WPS will then reduce the yield of points in Upheaval.

Guess it will remain an absolute niche skill, then.
No it will still be worth if you have high crit. I mean if you have 50% WPS then you have lots of default attacks in between that can crit and proc upheaval. And now that it hits single target too, it's better than people make it out to be
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And now that it hits single target too
I don't feel this
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No it will still be worth if you have high crit. I mean if you have 50% WPS then you have lots of default attacks in between that can crit and proc upheaval. And now that it hits single target too, it's better than people make it out to be
Yes, but still the points yield less and less. At 50% WPS those points yield 50% of their possible value. If upheaval is balanced around 50% then that might be fine.

Still weird and unintuitive design, though.

Would you max it with 75% WPS?
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I don't feel this
Play the Avenger :P

Would you max it with 75% WPS?

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Would you max it with 75% WPS?
No, ofc not. You have to choose. On avenger I'd never take MA anyway cause it's horrid with 2h and dmg is unimpressive in relation with the bad animation
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Old 05-18-2018, 08:16 AM
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Even with 25% WPS it's still dps loss. That's can't be the right way.
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