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Old 03-16-2019, 03:19 AM
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Do you know that Pblades (aside of that niche pierce) have so many support right now with many item skill modifiers and two full set supporting it?

Shadow strike doesn't have full blown set supporting it. Bits of MI pieces and that's that. N&O? forget that. Saboteur will never go with shadow strike.

I don't care about damage type. I only care about playstyle. I want the dev has full shadow strike support in form of set, and I only asked for an epic set. It's even in the weaker damage type form that is pierce.
I have to second this, PB already had good set and now in FG it gets an other fantastic set. IMO SS is an iconic skill from the nightblade mastery that is blast to use and deserve better support then it currently has.
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Old 03-16-2019, 04:18 AM
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Did you try it with Unseeing Gaze? I feel like the 15 RR and 30% CDR+Carnage would trump Silverbolt's +2 to all skills.

Gonna need you to define your criteria for "good" here as well as I'd be fine with it just being good for hunting Nemeses.
I haven't but I don't think that would've mattered much. I've tested it on that crossbow with CDR too, but the damage is just not there. It's just not.

I did test it in Crucible but in Main Campaign I think if you try it on AOM Nemeses you will end up being the one hunted.

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Pretty sure Rhylthar wanted the set to be viable for Pierce-focused builds and Bleed-focused builds, not hybrids of both.
Too much to ask from a simple blue set. It might end up being good for nothing that way like it is now. Just make it focus entirely on one thing. I don't mind if it's a Bleeding part by the way.


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Pierce Shadow Strike has these:

https://www.grimtools.com/db/items/12325
https://www.grimtools.com/db/items/7652
https://www.grimtools.com/db/items/11665

And many more, compare the amount of potential items Pierce Shadow Strike has to Pierce PBlades. About the only thing that Pierce Shadow Strike is missing that I will concede is weapons suited to it.
What you have listed it's just a bunch of random items with Shadow Strike bonus on it. Helmet is especially bad for it since it has no cdr. I can list same random items with PB bonus on them.

I think if you want Pierce CD PB set, it has to be another set because it has to be a 2h-base for that.
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Old 03-16-2019, 04:53 AM
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Too much to ask from a simple blue set. It might end up being good for nothing that way like it is now. Just make it focus entirely on one thing. I don't mind if it's a Bleeding part by the way.
Well, you can make a very good Bleeding Build with it. Yeah, the Sword isn´t great but the RR, the +2 to Nightblade and the boni to skills (including 8% OA) is definitely worth it.

Other Sets? Bloodrager. That´s all. No Nightblade Support. Bleeding Korba...nah.
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Old 03-16-2019, 05:12 AM
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Faction items are not inherently bad, many are usable on end game builds. Horns of Korvaak also has +1 to Inquisitor, massive Aether/Chaos resists alongside Steel Resolve basically solve those for you. If you pick up some Elemental->Pierce conversion, the proc is a bonus.
Dunno, maybe your description and mine regarding good items are different.

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Then why not just do a Cold Shadow Striker? As far as I know, they are not struggling for gear or damage and have not for a long time.
Yes, I have made two SS build infiltrator before, one with N&O and the other RoH+SS. All of them may not be as good now.

What I understand is you just want a cooldown PB build, here I made it for you with the new harra set:
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/q2MzeJzV

1.7 sec PB + CT spam, 35% CDR, all the good cold procs with the freshly buffed leviathan with 1.3 sec CD. Downside is only low HP.
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Old 03-16-2019, 04:13 PM
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What I understand is you just want a cooldown PB build, here I made it for you with the new harra set:
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/q2MzeJzV

1.7 sec PB + CT spam, 35% CDR, all the good cold procs with the freshly buffed leviathan with 1.3 sec CD. Downside is only low HP.
Thanks, I appreciate the effort but I do not want Cold PBlades + CT. I can understand damage type not bothering you but it does bother me - it determines 2nd mastery choice, what skills you pair alongside it and devotion/celestial power (and bindings) choice.

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What you have listed it's just a bunch of random items with Shadow Strike bonus on it. Helmet is especially bad for it since it has no cdr. I can list same random items with PB bonus on them.
What does Pierce cd PBlades have? Out of it's items, I would argue that only Moosilauke Pauldrons and M. Korvoran's Chestguard are really significant. Bloodborer could do with more of a push to get there as it's only significant stats are +1 to NB/Inq, a bit of OA and 60 damage to PBlades.

There are other pieces for Pierce PBlades that you could use but they would literally just be used as filler or add basically nothing/have competition (like Signet of the Fallen).

Don't know about you when I look at the entire itemisation for Pierce Shadow Strike and Pierce PBlades, I would 100% rather do Pierce Shadow Strike right now.

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I think if you want Pierce CD PB set, it has to be another set because it has to be a 2h-base for that.
I don't know about it having to be 2-handed, Fluff showed a long time ago that full Korba is capable of hitting 400k RoS crits in Campaign. Vileblade is also an ABB set and that only uses the off hand for ABB while dual wielding. If there was a set that was aimed at and had enough support for Pierce cd PBlades while dual wielding, I think it could work.
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Old 03-16-2019, 06:55 PM
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Thanks, I appreciate the effort but I do not want Cold PBlades + CT. I can understand damage type not bothering you but it does bother me - it determines 2nd mastery choice, what skills you pair alongside it and devotion/celestial power (and bindings) choice.



What does Pierce cd PBlades have? Out of it's items, I would argue that only Moosilauke Pauldrons and M. Korvoran's Chestguard are really significant. Bloodborer could do with more of a push to get there as it's only significant stats are +1 to NB/Inq, a bit of OA and 60 damage to PBlades.

There are other pieces for Pierce PBlades that you could use but they would literally just be used as filler or add basically nothing/have competition (like Signet of the Fallen).

Don't know about you when I look at the entire itemisation for Pierce Shadow Strike and Pierce PBlades, I would 100% rather do Pierce Shadow Strike right now.



I don't know about it having to be 2-handed, Fluff showed a long time ago that full Korba is capable of hitting 400k RoS crits in Campaign. Vileblade is also an ABB set and that only uses the off hand for ABB while dual wielding. If there was a set that was aimed at and had enough support for Pierce cd PBlades while dual wielding, I think it could work.
Don't know about you when I look at the entire itemisation for Pierce Shadow Strike and Pierce PBlades, I would 100% rather do PBlades right now.

Honestly not all skills have to support all damage types equally. What however is important that the skills get support at all. You dismissing the need for SS support by comparing only 1 one damage type is rather disingenuous since PB has excellent support for both vitality and cold and SS lacks good support for even 1 damage type.

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Old 03-16-2019, 07:23 PM
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Honestly not all skills have to support all damage types equally. What however is important that the skills get support at all. You dismissing the need for SS support by comparing only 1 one damage type is rather disingenuous since PB has excellent support for both vitality and cold and SS lacks good support for even 1 damage type.
I mentioned above but my point is that Phantasmal Blades support is largely geared towards spamming it/stacking casting speed. There is some support for the cooldown variant but it is only for Cold or Bleed. I would like Pierce to have an actual identity to it.

Deathmarked used to support Cold/Pierce Shadow Strike but those bonuses were removed in favour of it being a straight up WPS attacker, perhaps it should gain those bonuses back.

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