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Old 11-21-2017, 06:51 AM
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and given pretty much any SnB is immortal why throw away damage?
While true at the upper end of gear if you don't have much to start i think warder can still be a solid option. For raw damage though give me witchblade any day (talkin physical obviously). Tactician kinda splits the difference with their defenses better than WB but crit damage to oitpace warder dps.

At this point though i think commando may just be a worse tactician.

Also suppose deathknight is up there with WB now that spectral wrath nukes phys res.
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Old 11-21-2017, 07:12 AM
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And with word of renewal on command and seal combined with menhir I’d say tactician is the top of the heap now for tankiness and w seal/aim maybe even for tank damage
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Old 11-21-2017, 07:21 AM
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And with word of renewal on command and seal combined with menhir I’d say tactician is the top of the heap now for tankiness and w seal/aim maybe even for tank damage
You're right a half: top tanky, but for dmg, lehhh just decent dmg deal.
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Old 11-21-2017, 02:46 PM
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You're right a half: top tanky, but for dmg, lehhh just decent dmg deal.
Well physics damage s/b at least, mainly bc aim and seal are general dmg buffs without locking you into elemental/chaos/vit dmg etc.
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Old 11-21-2017, 02:54 PM
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Seems like every build I work on my friend is like "soldier/inq would be better for that" and he's right lol.

I made the Winter King, my FIRST ever successful ice tank melee wizard guy, he's a tactician.

I now have a brutal IT damage warder, and he's tough as hell, but I realize I'm taking almost nothing from shaman and Inq could sub in and make the build a lot more powerful (they even have a SET for IT damage Tactician lol...)

Does shaman need buffs? Those bottom 3 bubbles are nice for toughness and health regen, but other than that if you're using a shield there's basically nothing there. (wendigo but without +skill the heal is pretty small)
Shaman is fine:
http://www.grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57525
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Old 11-21-2017, 04:34 PM
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If I was to play tactician anything it wouldn't be SnB given Witchblade, Commando, and now DK (shocking, but hey they gave it gear support) will outperform it. DW reaver's claw, Silverbolt or gtfo is what I see in tactician right now. Octavius is cute, but it's just another shield caster.
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Old 11-21-2017, 05:42 PM
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If I was to play tactician anything it wouldn't be SnB given Witchblade, Commando, and now DK (shocking, but hey they gave it gear support) will outperform it. DW reaver's claw, Silverbolt or gtfo is what I see in tactician right now. Octavius is cute, but it's just another shield caster.
How would witchblade or commando make better S/B? Seems both would have less durability. I could see wb having more dmg w voidsteel gauntlets and chaos cadence but commando?
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Old 11-22-2017, 01:36 AM
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How would witchblade or commando make better S/B? Seems both would have less durability. I could see wb having more dmg w voidsteel gauntlets and chaos cadence but commando?
(physical) Witchblade has more RR = more damage. The second part of Blood of Dreeg (aspect of the guardian) gives you physical resistance. Tactician can't have menhir's bulwark and aura of conviction, so it will either have less damage absorption or less physical resistance than a witchblade. Seal doesn't do much for big hits, shield builds don't have trouble with lots of small hits. Also witchblade gets more attack speed. Capping resistance is ridiculously easy on both builds.


Commando: SnB build = colossal grasp is being used = blast shield is now 5s of might as well be invulnerability. There's a large list of viable SnB options for commando between physical and fire. It gets more attack speed than tactician.


All of the gear that supports SnB just works better with classes other than tactician. There's no overlap of RR types from Inquisitor with the high end SnB builds so there's no sidegrades of say, firestrike commando.
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Old 11-22-2017, 04:34 AM
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(physical) Witchblade has more RR = more damage. The second part of Blood of Dreeg (aspect of the guardian) gives you physical resistance. Tactician can't have menhir's bulwark and aura of conviction, so it will either have less damage absorption or less physical resistance than a witchblade. Seal doesn't do much for big hits, shield builds don't have trouble with lots of small hits. Also witchblade gets more attack speed. Capping resistance is ridiculously easy on both builds.


Commando: SnB build = colossal grasp is being used = blast shield is now 5s of might as well be invulnerability. There's a large list of viable SnB options for commando between physical and fire. It gets more attack speed than tactician.


All of the gear that supports SnB just works better with classes other than tactician. There's no overlap of RR types from Inquisitor with the high end SnB builds so there's no sidegrades of say, firestrike commando.
verrrrrry interesting... what do you think of battlemage? does that work well S/B?
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Old 11-22-2017, 07:47 AM
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verrrrrry interesting... what do you think of battlemage? does that work well S/B?
It went well but underperfoming againsts most similar builds, for example:
Aether build DK > BM
Physical build BM is the worst
Caster, hmm no.
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