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seems a lot of people still prefer to use graceful dusk despite the fact that it hasn't been updated for 3 months already.
It's much faster, and its search functionality is far more useful.
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It's much faster, and its search functionality is far more useful.
Seems like they search exactly the same to me. + Skills, Conversion, damage types both flat and %.....What else are you trying to search for? Cuz they both support all that and more.
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Seems like they search exactly the same to me. + Skills, Conversion, damage types both flat and %.....What else are you trying to search for? Cuz they both support all that and more.
All I see is is being able to put in a string to search, but no way to narrow or restrict that search. I can't filter by item level or required level to equip, can't by item type/rarity/affix. You can do some of this (actually most except the level stuff from what I can tell) after the search by collapsing the ones you don't want, but that's less intuitive to me. For instance, earlier I was trying to search for items and affixes with cooldown reduction that had a level required to equip no higher than 40, which was trivial to do on Graceful Dusk but doesn't seem possible at all on GDIB. For even more advanced search capabilities Graceful Dusk allows searching for multiple different strings with any combination of AND/OR/NOT.

Past that it's still significantly slower than Graceful Dusk.
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Past that it's still significantly slower than Graceful Dusk.
What's slower? Everything is loading lickety split from what I've seen.

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What's slower? Everything is loading lickety split from what I've seen.

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Grim Dawn Item Database (online version) compared to Graceful Dusk. I have to wait seven seconds on GDIB for a simple search of "cooldown reduction" and get to stare at "building database" during it, which seems to be every single time I go to the site (why is this being built on the fly in an online tool? That seems like a bad idea) when a similar search on Graceful Dusk finishes in less than a second.

But this is getting significantly off-topic at this point.
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Old 03-20-2017, 04:29 AM
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TBH...I can't imagine it's a huge deal for level reqs, unless you are, for some reason, trying to make a low level build. Usually people plan things for 85, or at least 75 when you can equip most legendaries. As for And/Or/Not...Or might be handy, I could see THAT....But Not? One And isn't going to return so many results that you can't filter down and just read em. Not would be a bit over the top.

As for Affix...It seems that DB actually has a better interface for the pre/su system.

Generally the only time I think what you're asking for is NEEDED is if you'll be editing in your items. Even GD Sidekick can use DB and Dusk interchangeably, so unless you're forging rares, what would you need any of this for? Might be nice if he adds it eventually, but....
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Old 03-20-2017, 05:40 AM
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Grim Dawn Item Database (online version) compared to Graceful Dusk. I have to wait seven seconds on GDIB for a simple search of "cooldown reduction" and get to stare at "building database" during it, which seems to be every single time I go to the site (why is this being built on the fly in an online tool? That seems like a bad idea) when a similar search on Graceful Dusk finishes in less than a second.

But this is getting significantly off-topic at this point.
That's a fair point actually.

The reason for that is the way it originally worked in offline tool - the descriptions for all items/affixes/etc, which are used as a source for search, are built on the fly for the currently selected language, but it's performed only when the search (with enabled "search in descriptions" checkbox) is accessed for the first time, all further requests will be instantaneous.

On graceful dusk texts for all items are generated only once when the database is updated to new version, they are stored on the server and every time a client performs a search, a request is sent to the server.

Grimtools, on the other hand, is a "fat client", meaning that all calculations are performed on client machine, so apart from initial request for the server data, there are 0 requests to the server and after you opened the database/calc, you can just disconnect from the network and everything will still be working fine, and each subsequent search request will be completed in milliseconds, compared to at least a second for each request on gracefull dusk. But this also means, that you are supposed to view it as a single page app, not opening several tabs in your browser.

It's not an excuse for the search to be so "slow", but rather an observation. From my perspective search in item database was always "not in the right place", and I think it's the only feature in the database that can be considered slow. It was actually the easiest way to implement it, without any hastle of defining all text=>key relations and building advanced search logic. I really hope that some day I just rewrite the search engine and won't use item descriptions at all, this will remove any delays while at the same time allowing for more elaborate queries.

So for now if you search a lot and in need of advanced search, you should stick with graceful dusk.
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Old 03-20-2017, 05:56 AM
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So for now if you search a lot and in need of advanced search, you should stick with graceful dusk.
That's what I plan, I just wanted to relay some of the reasons why it's still used and thus what you can hopefully take away for improvement. The database rebuild being an artifact from when it was an offline tool makes sense, that was my guess. Regardless of the Item Database search, the build tool itself you've made is great, and to my knowledge there is nothing else that comes close to it.
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all further requests will be instantaneous.
I noticed that. I did a search for Cadence. Waited several seconds. Searched Mogdrogen next and boom, done.

Fine by me and imo nullifies any complaints. If a first time miniscule search wait, followed by subsequent instantaneous searches is enough to throw someone off, whatevs I guess.

Of course if you can speed it up.. All the better I suppose. It's still farm fresh anyway and it will be cool to see how it improves 6 months to a year from now.

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This is awesome. You nailed it Dammit, dammit!

One thing I enjoy doing is theorycrafting builds and right now I have 5-6 builds waiting for them to level it... this calculator is so handy for us theorycrafters!

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