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Old 01-15-2018, 03:13 AM
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Hm interesting one. Maybe I steal some equipment ideas for my gun cadence chaos WB Thanks for posting it.
BTW, couple ideas from mine build that can fit yours
  1. Empowered Devil's Grin as more offensive shield option
  2. Fleshwarped Pauldrons as an option for unluckies that dont have pretty BoM
  3. And Mythical Black star of Deceit then for medal: chaos dmg + RR
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Old 01-15-2018, 03:21 AM
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12k HP seems really low. I mean one retaliation aura attack by MQ, and you're ripped with that little HP. If you make one mistake, you die. My DK has 20k+ HP and MQ's retaliation aura attacks were consistently hitting for 15k+, and that's if I made a mistake and attacked just 1 time. You'd be 100% ripped on this build. If you can tank MQ on this build, I'd be very surprised. Same for Grava.

But don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking your build or anything. I like seeing people do something different. And I might test it out later on.

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Old 01-15-2018, 10:45 AM
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Couple of questions:

- Why no Eldritch Gaze?
- Why no soldier WPS?
-Is there something that make Eldritch Gaze better than Ekket'Zul's Helm? Warborn Visor is better but Eldritch Gaze seems worse since I loose plus skills to soldier
-Honestly, I forgot about Markovian's Advantage's existence

Btw, do Amarasta's Quick Cut, Zolhan's Technique and Belgothian Shears still have an animation delay?


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Hm interesting one. Maybe I steal some equipment ideas for my gun cadence chaos WB Thanks for posting it.
BTW, couple ideas from mine build that can fit yours
  1. Empowered Devil's Grin as more offensive shield option
  2. Fleshwarped Pauldrons as an option for unluckies that dont have pretty BoM
  3. And Mythical Black star of Deceit then for medal: chaos dmg + RR
-Empowered Devil's Grin being less defensive is why I didn't go for it
-Either those or Iron Maiden's Shoulders
-BSoD feels unnecessary since I have RR from Malediction


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12k HP seems really low. I mean one retaliation aura attack by MQ, and you're ripped with that little HP. If you make one mistake, you die. My DK has 20k+ HP and MQ's retaliation aura attacks were consistently hitting for 15k+, and that's if I made a mistake and attacked just 1 time. You'd be 100% ripped on this build. If you can tank MQ on this build, I'd be very surprised. Same for Grava.

But don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking your build or anything. I like seeing people do something different. And I might test it out later on.
14-15k with DK is enough
I am assuming you aren't aware of how her aura works?
I can facetank MQ without breaking a sweat, care to guess why? If you can then you will figure out how her aura works

Grava is doable cause he has low chaos resist but I can't facetank. I mean I have to side-step constantly to avoid fumble and nullification. I am not sure any melee build can facetank him cause of those gimmicks. Side-stepping against him is recommended
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Old 01-28-2018, 11:07 PM
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I was working on a very similar build, glad I was on the right track.

One question though, why Time Dilation? What CD do you need reduced?
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Old 01-29-2018, 02:11 PM
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I was working on a very similar build, glad I was on the right track.

One question though, why Time Dilation? What CD do you need reduced?
Hungering Void, Shield Wall and Overguard
Since Chaos S&B lacks CDR unlike Aether builds we are dependent on Time Dilation
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Old 02-11-2018, 07:01 PM
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I have Mythical Obsidian Juggernaut and I would like to try your build (the 2H version).

I do have a question, though. On both versions you didn't take Consecrated Blade (Solael's Witchfire modifier). Why is that? You have more +% Chaos Damage and -% Chaos Resistance than physical.
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Old 02-11-2018, 07:23 PM
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He already has 100% phys to chaos from gloves.
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Old 02-11-2018, 07:56 PM
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He already has 100% phys to chaos from gloves.
I thought that cadence conversion only affects the 3rd strike, the one with the increased damage. Meaning the two strikes before it are not affected by the gloves modifier. Isn't that how the Discord Cadence modifier works? Am I wrong?

EDIT: Even if the gloves affect every attack, and not just every third attack, there's the flat physical damage on Blitz (for the 2H version) that might be worth converting.
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Old 02-11-2018, 08:04 PM
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You're right, only 3rd hit affected. First 2 strikes are too weak though, even for this 3 points investment.
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Old 02-12-2018, 11:12 AM
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You're right, only 3rd hit affected. First 2 strikes are too weak though, even for this 3 points investment.
I'm talking specifically about the 2H version.

Average damage according to grimcalc, before any conversions:
- Mythical Obisidan Juggernaut: 420 physical
- Deadly Momentum lvl 15: 109 physical

15% physical to chaos conversion for the weapon: 0.15*420 = 63 flat chaos damage two out of three hits.

15% physical to chaos conversion from deadly momentum: 0.15*109 = 16 flat chaos damage every two out of three hits.

Average chaos damage per hit: (63+16)*2/3 = 79*2/3 = 52 flat chaos damage every hit.

Average chaos damage every Blitz: 0.15*406 (Blitz flat physical) + (63+16)*3.25 (Blitz weapon damage) = 60 + 256 = 316 flat chaos damage every Blitz.

Isn't that worth 3 points? I'm genuinely curious why it isn't, because to me it seems like it is.
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