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Old 12-31-2016, 10:26 AM
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Well it would be a real shame if you didn't at least try the concept.

Maybe you can only achieve 40% CDR. Then you can have just 128% speed.

I don't think you can use your existing SB though because this melee cycle concept might require 50/40 Arcanist/NB to really work.
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Old 12-31-2016, 10:32 AM
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Well it would be a real shame if you didn't at least try the concept.

Maybe you can only achieve 40% CDR. Then you can have just 128% speed.

I don't think you can use your existing SB though because this melee cycle concept might require 50/40 Arcanist/NB to really work.
First i need those daggers to even consider levelling a char. I've been wanting to try ABB melee for a while but Kal's Scourge Strike build made me want to try Scourge Strike
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Old 12-31-2016, 10:40 AM
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but Kal's Scourge Strike build made me want to try Scourge Strike
What's interesting is that if you get 44% CDR, Scourge Strike can neatly substitute for one out of every four normal attacks in the previously mentioned cycle.
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Old 12-31-2016, 10:42 AM
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What's interesting is that if you get 44% CDR, Scourge Strike can neatly substitute for one out of every four normal attacks in the previously mentioned cycle.
CDR doesn't affect Granted Skills. Only -% energy cost does
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CDR doesn't affect Granted Skills. Only -% energy cost does
Right, which is why each ABB cycle at 44% CDR would last 1.008 seconds, allowing one use of Scourge Strike every four ABB cycles. I know the math dude.
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Old 12-31-2016, 10:55 AM
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Right, which is why each ABB cycle at 44% CDR would last 1.008 seconds, allowing one use of Scourge Strike every four ABB cycles. I know the math dude.
Hmm, before we get ahead of ourselves we need to see how effective SS is. Since Relic slot is generally a plus skills slot.
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Old 12-31-2016, 11:03 AM
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Hmm, before we get ahead of ourselves we need to see how effective SS is. Since Relic slot is generally a plus skills slot.
For sure, personally I'm so excited about the concept I want to start right away, Lox daggers or Scourge be damned.
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Old 12-31-2016, 11:41 AM
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I just thought of a 2H variant of the above concepts centered around an Alkamos' weapon with Oleron's Blood attached.

Suppose your CDR were 25%, slightly less than your DW pistol build's.

Then each ABB cycle would last 1.35 seconds. Three cycles of this would equal 4.05 seconds.

Optimal attack speeds at 25% CDR, with a 2H weapon, would be 101% and 138%. Suppose we can achieve 138% attack speed, which implies triggering ABB every four hits. Then we can use the following cycle, or some variant thereof:

Spoiler!

Compared to 1H + Focus this only requires NJE to have two points.

Mechanically, the only issue is executing this 24-step cycle over 8.1 seconds while timing heals and such.
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Old 12-31-2016, 08:13 PM
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You're talking about Loxmere daggers? Shard of Asterkarn would be a good substitute in the meantime. It's not really optimised for ABB though.

I think melee ABB would work just fine, especially as a 1H + Focus build. In fact I think it could be even stronger than your DW pistol build because you can use Ring of Frost and SS in cycles.

Suppose you got 50% CDR. According to my equation, the only optimal attack speed would be 156%, which would trigger ABB every 3 hits. Ring of Frost has slightly less than twice the cooldown of ABB and SS can have exactly twice the cooldown thru 1 point in NJE. So you can do the following cycle:

ABB
RoF
Normal attack
ABB
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Normal attack

The only trouble is Shard of Asterkarn doesn't have any attack speed, so you might need to farm Loxmere daggers afterall. Also, Ring of Frost is based on cast speed, so you'll also need to get around 156% cast speed as well (I think, I don't know how fast the animation is).
I tried a blademaster that specialized in Blade Burst and his damage was pretty terrible. I suppose it would be different if you added Shadow Strike or Ring of Steel into the mix, but at that point you're looking at so many skill points that you'd be better off picking Cadence or something.

I also have a character that uses a Chillborer+tome and it's even worse.
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