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Old 03-30-2017, 02:38 PM
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Haha sorry for asking so many questions but I really appreciate the response Cthon...How does this build compare to S and B commando in terms of tankiness and dps? Obvi one is pierce and one is physical but seems like both builds are similar
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Old 03-31-2017, 03:10 AM
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Hey Chthon, nice write up. You pump out builds way too quickly dude.

I've actually got my own S&B Blademaster but it's built quite differently to yours, so just thought I'd offer another perspective. I run full Markovian's with Reaver's Claw, a very defensive mastery spread but use the standard DW blademaster devotion spread. The build is geared with defense favoured over offense for crucible, so I can confirm Gladiator crucible (or any other content) is absolutely no issue for my build and I imagine yours wouldn't struggle either.

Couple quick considerations for you - Oleron's Wrath for the relic. Can't imagine you missed it so interested in your thoughts for taking Menhir's instead. The other one is Blades of Wrath attached to Blade Spirit - might be point heavy for you since you're only 40 Mastery in NB but I've always found the combo to be extremely efficient for a 1 point skill investment and particularly effective as each Blade Spirit can proc its own Blades of Wrath. You can often get 3 Blade Spirits out at once with the proc on Markovian's visor. Curious about your shield choice too - I'm guessing you're covering resists with it, but is it possible to make up the differences elsewhere and use something like Siegebreaker?

Anyway, well done on the build. It's a fantastic playstyle and I love it as well, definitely more than viable. Keep smashing builds out.
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Old 03-31-2017, 06:41 AM
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This is my take so far with this build.

I am level 18 currently. I am using maxed Night's Chill for debilitating trash mobs and combining it with Ring of Steel (4 points). Doing fine so far. I have been investing in Cadence too. I have it almost maxed out.

I intend to go the defense route so I am aiming at Menhir's Bulwark instead of Oleron's Rage.

I am also putting some points into physique because I have almost be shotgunned a few times.
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Old 03-31-2017, 07:31 AM
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Haha sorry for asking so many questions but I really appreciate the response Cthon...How does this build compare to S and B commando in terms of tankiness and dps? Obvi one is pierce and one is physical but seems like both builds are similar
-Pierce is more resisted than Physical
-I know i am in the minority when i say this but if anything involves Demolitionist or Arcanist as one of the classes then when built correctly it's defenses are almost unbeatable
Tankiness/DPS of this build is you can faceroll vanilla and go as far as wave 109-110(?) before your PC crashes
-Builds feel similar because Pierce as a Damage Type is the little brother of Physical
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Old 03-31-2017, 07:45 AM
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Couple quick considerations for you - Oleron's Wrath for the relic. Can't imagine you missed it so interested in your thoughts for taking Menhir's instead. The other one is Blades of Wrath attached to Blade Spirit - might be point heavy for you since you're only 40 Mastery in NB but I've always found the combo to be extremely efficient for a 1 point skill investment and particularly effective as each Blade Spirit can proc its own Blades of Wrath. You can often get 3 Blade Spirits out at once with the proc on Markovian's visor. Curious about your shield choice too - I'm guessing you're covering resists with it, but is it possible to make up the differences elsewhere and use something like Siegebreaker?

Anyway, well done on the build. It's a fantastic playstyle and I love it as well, definitely more than viable. Keep smashing builds out.
-Glad to hear Crucible feedback

-I mentioned Oleron down below that it is an option
Why don't I use it? Well, i guess i just wanted to try out Bastion, it doesn't really get a lot of love

-Blades of Wrath/Spirit combo is useless against Rashalga, sure it helps with AoE but after multiple Valbury runs i realized AoE isn't lacking
It helps vs. other bosses, but i consider Rashalga as the Ultimate challenge for melee builds

-Markovian's Visor proc, didn't it get nerfed?

-Vanguard's reason has been mentioned as well.
I chose Vanguard cause it is pretty underrated here. Siegebreaker seems to be very popular and everyone picks it. So i went with Vanguard

Basically i just made non-conventional gear/skill/devotion choices


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I am also putting some points into physique because I have almost be shotgunned a few times.

Leveling is PITA

Try going ranged and keep physique investment to minimum
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Is it that important to have 100% of your damage converted to pierce? Especially for crucible
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Old 03-31-2017, 11:32 AM
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Is it that important to have 100% of your damage converted to pierce? Especially for crucible
I am a purist (i guess )

If i go dual damage then i will try my best to achieve good performance with both damage types

If i go single damage then i will try my best to maximize conversion to said damage type
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Old 03-31-2017, 12:25 PM
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Impressive tooltip DPS with those devotions and that relic, looks like a nice build.
As a suggestion I'd drop PB to 10/12 and take 3 points from Veil of Shadow, and put them in Shadow Dance instead.
The above would net you the same amount of -OA / +DA, you lose some slow (which probably doesn't work well vs. bosses anyway) but you gain 6% dodge for both types, which is pretty significant.

And as a personal preference I'd just lower Veil to 1 base point and overcap Field Command instead, but that's just me.
I'd definitely put a base point in the Soldier WPS too, with the +5 skills it's a nice boost.

As for Crucible, beyond base necessities and some luck, I think it's mostly a player skill and experience thing to perform well there.
But with those stats you could definitely complete it, it might be a bit slow though due to less AoE than conventional BM builds (relic, weapon proc, devos, WPS, etc.)
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Old 03-31-2017, 12:32 PM
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As for Crucible, beyond base necessities and some luck, I think it's mostly a player skill and experience thing to perform well there.
But with those stats you could definitely complete it, it might be a bit slow though due to less AoE than conventional BM builds (relic, weapon proc, devos, WPS, etc.)
Yeah i wanted to try a non-convetional BM mainly cause everyone was picking them
True player skill is most important, people generally never consider that. Timing your heals, positioning yourself correctly, knowing when to GTFO
It's like EoR Clone fight, it's as hard as you make it to be
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Old 04-04-2017, 01:32 PM
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Little note for you guys

I tried Reaver's Claw

It seems i loose a bunch of DPS due to loosing conversion and Piercing aura

My point is, it'd better to hunt for a Derm Slicer. Even though Reaver's claw works as an intermediate weapon. But new players should make it a point to hunt for the Slicer

A perfect one like Heart-Piercing of Voracity isn't necessary. Even basic rolls such as Puncturing or some relatively rarer rolls such as Sinister would suffice

The main reason Slicer works so well is because of the Armor Piercing value on it. So it still remains the central item here
Rest of the gear is flexible imo
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