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Old 07-13-2018, 05:16 AM
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Sry mate. BM is perfect on this one after recent mods There is not reason for it to be infiltrator (srsly inquis literally everywhere, even a lot of sets/misc gear that don't support it.).

1. Lore wise it does not make sense at all with luminary I think. Belgo was a buff NB. A simple but very effective killing machine. Soldier fits well imo

2. Cadence is by no means superior to Belgo strikes. The %wpdmg/charges multiplied with %wpdmg from execution and modded shears/MA from 2x Slicers makes it really smooth. AA like Belgo strikes/Savagery etc in general feel so much better with WPS and Belgo slauther is a set that banks everything in WPS, so cadence breaks the build in half basically

( 3. On a strictly personal note here i absolutely hate and always have hated Cadence with DW long before AoM. It does not make perfect use of WPS like Belgo strikes, they are just fillers when you have cadence. It hits 1h and looks, feels like you are limping/are handicaped in battle. It may hit hard and more often every 3rd hit with DW but it feels ood to me. Oh and it procs Cadence more often IF you get a basic DW proc not WPS which is counted as a single charge always, basically discouraging you to go more than 1 or 2 WPS....This is a big loss in my book as I love WPS and like putting value into them. Belgo strikes/Svagery AA like these do just that )


Also believe it or not it kills faster than an infiltrator if done right.I really hope this will not change as inquis already oversaturates build thread. Do not let paper fool you here. It was tried not only by me but others as well. Inquis is just clunky to play with Belgo with kinda similar results
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Old 07-13-2018, 07:20 AM
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Sry mate. BM is perfect on this one after recent mods There is not reason for it to be infiltrator (srsly inquis literally everywhere, even a lot of sets/misc gear that don't support it.).

1. Lore wise it does not make sense at all with luminary I think. Belgo was a buff NB. A simple but very effective killing machine. Soldier fits well imo

2. Cadence is by no means superior to Belgo strikes. The %wpdmg/charges multiplied with %wpdmg from execution and modded shears/MA from 2x Slicers makes it really smooth. AA like Belgo strikes/Savagery etc in general feel so much better with WPS and Belgo slauther is a set that banks everything in WPS, so cadence breaks the build in half basically

( 3. On a strictly personal note here i absolutely hate and always have hated Cadence with DW long before AoM. It does not make perfect use of WPS like Belgo strikes, they are just fillers when you have cadence. It hits 1h and looks, feels like you are limping/are handicaped in battle. It may hit hard and more often every 3rd hit with DW but it feels ood to me. Oh and it procs Cadence more often IF you get a basic DW proc not WPS which is counted as a single charge always, basically discouraging you to go more than 1 or 2 WPS....This is a big loss in my book as I love WPS and like putting value into them. Belgo strikes/Svagery AA like these do just that )


Also believe it or not it kills faster than an infiltrator if done right.I really hope this will not change as inquis already oversaturates build thread. Do not let paper fool you here. It was tried not only by me but others as well. Inquis is just clunky to play with Belgo with kinda similar results
inq is everywhere already cause class is well optimized compare to old masteries we have, so its not a surprise to me at all

and i always hated soldier so long before new 2 masteries cause how strong and well designed soldier is compare to other masteries in most situations, for some fucking reason soldier even got cast speed with AoM which makes me laugh still... for just to support forcewave cast speed issues its like spoon feeding

1- lore wise belgothian is belgothian doesnt suit either soldier or inquistor %100, he is just a nightblade.. and it make sense that he can be inq or soldier according to writings but w/e

2- you guys didnt read well what i wrote i guess i said belgothian strikes > cadence already..
and i hated cadence so long for dw builds, and if we had a chance i would never use it on any dw build who has wps.

i havent tried inq myself, and like i said it looks far better than soldier on paper, and about playstyle it would be clunky and i wouldnt play inq aswell i guess.

another reason i dont like some sets in GD is why this set is not pure nblade set? or why not support both inq and soldier already for example. set systems sometimes limits players so hard in this way, by no means it restrict you going other class but soldier skills are there and shiny always discourage players imo.

on the other hand, you guys are %100 right about 1 thing... if this set also supports inq i would never play blademaster cause there are 1-2 builds you may play as blademaster already so if this set will have inq +skills i would never and ever play a single blademaster cause i have better options
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Old 07-13-2018, 07:49 AM
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i havent tried inq myself, and like i said it looks far better than soldier on paper,
On paper, but not in real world, was surprised/bit dissapointed back in 0.2 and other players were surprised even afterwards.

Now after set buff to MA the gap is way closed. The damage consistency that BM has with overall better WPS (infiltrator really feels the lack of MA with 2x slicers). The ease of getting very high OA and the monstrous MA DA debuff also gives very high crit frequency. Not the absolute highest dmg roll, that title is for 2x Malkadar Korba execution. But the consistency of crits in both AoE and single target makes it really smooth as BM
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On paper, but not in real world, was surprised/bit dissapointed back in 0.2 and other players were surprised even afterwards.

Now after set buff to MA the gap is way closed. The damage consistency that BM has with overall better WPS (infiltrator really feels the lack of MA with 2x slicers). The ease of getting very high OA and the monstrous MA DA debuff also gives very high crit frequency. Not the absolute highest dmg roll, that title is for 2x Malkadar Korba execution. But the consistency of crits in both AoE and single target makes it really smooth as BM
lets not dont talk about X2 malkadars korba you cant candidate a char that rely on just lucky rngjesus execution hits the to be top dmg dealer in game.. in reality you will invest belgothian + execution + 1 more wps to be effective about dmg dealing, and it will take very long time to record those 3 sec mq videos.. you will just record countless times while praying god to proc 3-4 executions in a row
so inconsistency of malkadar is meh compare to consistency of belgothian bmaster

if you really look for consistent most dmg dealer single target is, its dual chillstrife using korba helm and maybe chest.. actually the amount of wep dmg you have is over 19k per hand -> +38k which beats every possible 2hander and put them in dust, needless to mention you have way over 100 cold rr.
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Old 07-13-2018, 09:31 AM
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if you really look for consistent most dmg dealer single target is, its dual chillstrife using korba helm and maybe chest.. actually the amount of wep dmg you have is over 19k per hand -> +38k which beats every possible 2hander and put them in dust, needless to mention you have way over 100 cold rr.
Agreed on 2xMalkadar incosistency.

Well as far as Korba goes, Full set RoS is as consistent as it gets, and really fun too
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Old 07-13-2018, 10:27 AM
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I'll probably never agree to this suggestion. Infiltrator already has two top tier builds: cold PB and cold rune. Another two very strong builds: belgo and auramancer, some strong builds but are not up to the ones above like pierce rune, northern wyrm, and probably ignaffar and SS.

Buffing one very strong build will probably nullify the negative effects of playing pierce infil (clunkiness) due to its pure raw power. That won't be nice. Devs should support the bad classes (Sabo, Defiler) more before buffing the strong ones.

Edit: i agree that pierce in general still needs more support, but belgo is fine now as it is and the focus should be on other weaker sets
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Old 07-13-2018, 11:05 AM
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1- lore wise belgothian is belgothian doesnt suit either soldier or inquistor %100, he is just a nightblade.. and it make sense that he can be inq or soldier according to writings but w/e
Adding Inquisitor skills lore wise makes NO SENSE. Belgothian was known to charge recklessly at his enemies. Adding Inquisitor skills to this set means it's for INFILTRATOR and this means someone that sneaks through places undetected.

It's the complete opposite of what Belgothian does. So no, lore wise it doesn't make sense. It makes sense with Soldier because they are the front line infantry, which is what Belgothian basically is. Someone that charges at his enemies head on.
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Old 07-13-2018, 12:04 PM
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I don't think Belgo could give a shit about Luminari or even burden his vocabulary with the word itself. He'd probably classify them as "people with robes & hats".

He didn't care who his contractor was, he killed them too sometimes, all he needed was a reason to be let loose.

He barely had a distant respect(and that's a big word for lack of a better one atm) for NB peers.

"My brother nightblades have their methods, and I have mine. There are no innocents." < thins can mean a number of things, including that he'd have no problem killing one.
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Old 07-13-2018, 12:07 PM
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Adding Inquisitor skills lore wise makes NO SENSE. Belgothian was known to charge recklessly at his enemies. Adding Inquisitor skills to this set means it's for INFILTRATOR and this means someone that sneaks through places undetected.

It's the complete opposite of what Belgothian does. So no, lore wise it doesn't make sense. It makes sense with Soldier because they are the front line infantry, which is what Belgothian basically is. Someone that charges at his enemies head on.

hmm didnt know that precious knowledge, sir can you show me where its written belgothian is a soldier or can be ? esp 'charge recklessly' part... cause from what i have read and know from item notes and small lore about belgothian parts he is still just a nightblade...

and its extremely hillarious that , you bind 'frontline' part of soldier and 'reckless power' of nightblades LUL... how come frontlining and being reckless can be an evidence of a blademaster ? funny.. also i didnt see belgothian frontlines in anywhere written aswell?

dont know what you are smoking but howcome being infiltrator makes you sneaky assassin inquistor class doesnt have even single 1 one spell or skill that provides you stealth, shade from reality attacks like shadowstrike or any mysterious combat skill... this is more funny than your blademaster relationship btw

if you refer to 'belgothian shears' note its just written that he is using direct and lethal attacks.. like execution whirling death and other wps are sneaky or assasinish or something only nidalla and shadowstrike line and maybe pb line looks more assasin type and sneaky to me btw. and lore wise blind assassin thaddeus killed headmaster of the templar in daylight, i guess this is our sneaky assassin aswell and blind one


so pls show me your evidence i might be wrong about this part.. and ill accept i am wrong.

meanwhile since nblades sold their services the great empire? which we dont know which empire is this but i assume this is erulan empire, which is protected by inquistors, it makes more sense to me that belgothian and some other nblades can be inquistors aswell..
on the other hand soldiers also protect the empire..
so lore wise belgothian can be both. *i still think he is just a nblade lul*

and my final words, i never said that belgothian is %100 inquistor or soldier, like you do cause there is no strong evidence. i even said that it makes slightly more sense that he can be blademaster but in the end it makes sense in both ways to me, so very well he can be infiltrator aswell.. so i dont know what you are trying to contribute here again, more like NO SENSES to me
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Old 07-13-2018, 12:12 PM
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And srsly now, Belgo casting Seals or whatever, he'd kill you just for thinking it
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