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Old 11-07-2018, 02:33 PM
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With that Justicar build-template that Mad_lee posted, I am tempted to include untransmuted forcewave too as another nuke LOL and use stonefist as weapon :P

who said that the cold war was over? :P
I tried untransmuted FW with Cadence on some of my old builds. Its damage is low compared to Blitz or Blade Arc
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Old 11-07-2018, 02:45 PM
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I tried untransmuted FW with Cadence on some of my old builds. Its damage is low compared to Blitz or Blade Arc
Perhaps I'll just scrap cadance all over (apart from Deadly momentum) and invest more into Blitz and Blade arc:
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Old 11-07-2018, 02:54 PM
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Perhaps I'll just scrap cadance all over (apart from Deadly momentum) and invest more into Blitz and Blade arc:
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/4ZDXlx8Z
Cadence is too good to drop it. It deals ~700% weapon damage per second to solo target if you have 200% attack speed. Blade arc and Blitz can support it but not fully replace
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I would say since it's a campaign build - go for nukes. Veteragna is probably right about Cadence being more effective in the end, but from my experiense slow attack speed + Cadence didn't feel like fun .

Also, yes, untransmuted Forcewave sucks balls, I have tried it, didn't feel like a nuke at all, even with Stonefisting weapon and Sigil of the Bear King. Three nukes (4 if you count skill from Leviathan, 5 if you include Doom's relic skill) is more than enough, and keep Cadence for Deadly Momentum.
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Old 11-07-2018, 03:06 PM
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I would say since it's a campaign build - go for nukes. Veteragna is probably right about Cadence being more effective in the end, but from my experiense slow attack speed + Cadence didn't feel like fun .

Also, yes, untransmuted Forcewave sucks balls, I have tried it, didn't feel like a nuke at all, even with Stonefisting weapon and Sigil of the Bear King. Three nukes (4 if you count skill from Leviathan, 5 if you include Doom's relic skill) is more than enough, and keep Cadence for Deadly Momentum.
So what is all the fuzz about S&B octavius tacticians?!

I just have experience with transmuted Forcewave and S&B cadance so I'd love to learn more
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So what is all the fuzz about S&B octavius tacticians?!

I just have experience with transmuted Forcewave and S&B cadance so I'd love to learn more
Octavius is totally different story. It's best suited for dot-type internal trauma build. You need to stack as much IT sources as possible with it, not only FW.
Not mentioning that Pummeler and full Octavius give CD to FW
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Octavius is totally different story. It's best suited for dot-type internal trauma build. You need to stack as much IT sources as possible with it, not only FW.
Not mentioning that Pummeler and full Octavius give CD to FW
ah yeah got it! set also gives good bonus to reflected dmg reduction. thanks
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So what is all the fuzz about S&B octavius tacticians?!

I just have experience with transmuted Forcewave and S&B cadance so I'd love to learn more
Octavius injects a decilitre of horse hormones into untransmuted FW. It's also pretty unkillable (I couldn't even die with DW warborn Tactician). My steam friend made one and added transmuted Blade Arc with capped Laceration and IT ticks were pretty huge.
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Old 11-07-2018, 03:17 PM
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Octavius injects a decilitre of horse hormones into untransmuted FW. It's also pretty unkillable (I couldn't even die with DW warborn Tactician). My steam friend made one and added transmuted Blade Arc with capped Laceration and IT ticks were pretty huge.
Did you post your DW tactician in the compendium btw?

EDIT: seems like the melee meta is Dual Wield or 2hander, is sword and board dead?

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Old 11-07-2018, 03:24 PM
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EDIT: seems like the melee meta is Dual Wield or 2hander, is sword and board dead?
Totally not dead, but not a top-tier.
My Carrot Tank clears Crucible in 12 minutes.
Idk how Octavius performs there
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