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  • #46
    Ever watched Cronenberg's Crash? A bit like that.

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    • #47
      HOHOHO all again,

      It has been some time since I last posted. Great to see the project will now get the go ahead through the Kickstarter program. I have been watching it go up and up !!

      It seems some people are having issues with Pay(we're not your)Pals..

      Well some of you may recall the posts I made on an experiment with prepaid cards obtainable through supermarkets and post offices. Here in Australia they are freely available and I would certainly guess in many other countries also.

      The simple fact is this : THEY WORK!!

      I used them for my legendary key before the Kickstarter program. So if you really WANT to help then go get one and try it.

      Mind you.. I used the prepaid cards on this site , not kickstarter... so I am not sure how their system works. Needless to say.. the best cards are the type that allows you to ADD monies to it "Load and GO" type. So far I have not had anyone refuse it......

      EXCEPT PAYPAL!

      PayPal are SO pathetic when it comes to their card/type use acceptance I suggest everyone DUMPS THEIR SERVICE! They are rather BACKWARD.. dump them now!

      Also... with only a few days left for the kickstarter program to conclude... The Grim Dawn site will start its offer of pre keys... so you can always wait for that again. I want to get a hard copy option but have decided to wait for the site to offer it as an option after kickstarter finishes... why give them even more money now the main goals have been reached??

      Santa out....
      Just because a majority
      Believe in something -
      Doesn't make it true!

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      • #48
        Never really used Paypal, tried to use it once but encountered a lot of problems, It's seems like it screw over alot of people, when i read the story about Crate Vs Paypal i saw how bad it could really become.

        Could be a good opportunity for someone skilled to start a new company that deal with this kind of things.

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        • #49
          Didn't blizzard buy paypal? Pretty sure it was them... and if so I just wonder...
          Proud to have pledged 100 bucks.

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          • #50
            Ebay own paypal.

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            • #51
              I swear there was something like a year or 2 ago about some game company buying paypal.
              Proud to have pledged 100 bucks.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by GSGregory View Post
                I swear there was something like a year or 2 ago about some game company buying paypal.
                Nope. They were bought by eBay. And which is why Paypal is now the only way you can purchase anything on eBay (and if you're a seller, eBay charges you not only seller services, but also gets a cut of all the Paypal fees). Yet another place where greed rears its ugly head..
                Grim Dawn Boxed Special Edition

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Capn Tucker View Post
                  Nope. They were bought by eBay. And which is why Paypal is now the only way you can purchase anything on eBay (and if you're a seller, eBay charges you not only seller services, but also gets a cut of all the Paypal fees). Yet another place where greed rears its ugly head..
                  Maybe it was something else... but I remember something about blizzard or some other game company buying some other company that had nothing to do with games.
                  Proud to have pledged 100 bucks.

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                  • #54
                    In the mean time, it took public outcry here in the US to get George Zimmermann's (a child murderers) account closed.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by GSGregory View Post
                      Maybe it was something else... but I remember something about blizzard or some other game company buying some other company that had nothing to do with games.
                      The only way I know is the other way around, when Activision (which clearly hasn't anything to do with games, they're more like a TV station: who can get the most "viewers" and make the most money with the least possible effort) bought Blizzard and converted them into just another money-thirsty wolf. *troll*

                      But indeed, eBay is the owner of PayPal, which subsequently explains why so much is wrong with PayPal these days.
                      This is a paradox, because it isn't.

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                      • #56
                        A suggestion to others: stripe

                        If you're going to be selling your own indie game from your own site, or similar, I suggest you consider stripe (stripe.com) which simplifies matters a good deal.
                        • The UI for purchasing can be embedded into your site, no confusing site jump like paypal where you lose people
                        • The financial data does NOT flow through your site. No high risk financial data. It's done via javascript requests.
                        • They are simply a billing/transaction system, there is no heavyweight account to "freeze" like paypal.
                        • They are very clear that they accept sales of digital products, and that they allow donations.

                        They do not accept the charging of funds for pre-orders. It's a bit unclear if you could do something like say "this charge should be considered a donation, although if we finish the game we will send you a copy". For that you'd have to check with Stripe.

                        Obviously Amazon Payments (via kickstarter) is signing off on this financial activity, though it's a bit more work to set up and the fees are a bit higher.

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                        • #57
                          Thank you for the suggestion Jrodman, I'll take a look at Stripe.

                          EDIT - took a look but it seems like they only process credit cards, which doesn't help non-card users.

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                          • #58
                            Have you considered clickandbuy? I'm not sure what their policy on pre-orders is, but I use them for my Steam purchases and I never had any issues with them.

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                            • #59
                              European options

                              For European sales, you might want to check the new "MyBank" initiative, in which many european banks provide a shared online payment method. Specifically for the Netherlands, such a system is already in place, called "ideal".

                              References:
                              • ideal dot nl
                              • mybankpayments dot eu

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                              • #60
                                Why not Amazon Payments? That's what Kickstarter uses...

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