Diablo 3 official forums

[Renevent]

So I've recently spent some time on Diablo 3's forum since I got into the beta and my god is that forum just filled to the brim with foul mouthed foaming at the mouth sycophants. Almost every other comment is basically how stupid the person above them is. Even the well laid out posts are riddled with insults to anyone who might have the nerve to disagree with their impervious logic.

I don't remember the last time I really spent any time on those forums but I swear it wasn't the cesspool it is now. Maybe it was, and that's why subconciously I stopped going there lol.

[Roros]

heh I grabbed these couple of screens when D3 was first announced. Good times.

http://scrap.5elements.net/blizforums.jpg
http://scrap.5elements.net/blizforums2.jpg

[Renevent]

Holy crap lol...

[yerkyerk]

I have some fears this forum will also not be the nicest place to be around shortly after the game's released, but that'll be temporary and not nearly as bad as the Bliz forums, heh.

[eisprinzessin]

Thanx Roros - you made my day. :D

[Malpheas]

Smaller community is generally nicer. Take MXL forums: Things can get nasty there but usually logic prevails.

And @ those screenes.. LMAOZHEDONG.

[matthewfarmery]

there will always be haters and fanboys, or those that just want to stir up trouble regardless on which side of the fence they are on

its possible these forums could get nasty, but we have decent people here, and in my travels I seen worse forums

but yes smaller forums are generally nicer

[heron]

those spammers, lol.
well now you need a battle.net account to post and access to beta to post in those sections.
much cleaner now but yes the kids are still lurking.

[Ragnar]

I don't understand, are there any moderatos there,why do they allow it?Is it maybe if they start banning people there would be almos no members left?

[Malpheas]

They have to make money some how: Exclusive club means nothing anymore.

[yerkyerk]

I don't understand, are there any moderatos there,why do they allow it?Is it maybe if they start banning people there would be almos no members left?

I always wondered that, but I've seen that kind of troll behaviour on almost every, if not all, high activity boards I visited. Moderators generally don't act. Smaller communities like this one tend to manage themselves.

[medierra]

Good grief (hah, no pun intended)... It is so disheartening to think that if we ever achieve any significant level of success, we'll likely have to deal with this sort of thing as well. It is hard enough just working to make great games in such a competitive industry let alone having to deal with all the unnecessary extra work of trying to prevent people from acting like jerks and ruining it for everyone else.

[Roros]

Yeah, it's an odd thing. I often wonder about the exact motivation for people who set out to convince everyone that the game is bad. It's something to do with "I am so above people who like this" which isn't an uncommon thing to see when people argue about things they like, but it's still hard to wrap my head around it.

What really takes the cake for me are people who hate the game, are hellbent on 'converting' everyone who thinks it's good, but they still play it and hang out on the forums every day for weeks, months, and even years. You usually see these in mmo's, but also sometimes in competitive games. Not being able to understand their motivation is one thing, but what tops it off for me is how common it is and how similar the train of thought seems to be between all of those individuals.

[yerkyerk]

How about the posters who think they're so important that they need to inform everyone they'll leave because the game sucks so hard (and ofcourse, they don't ever really leave - and if they do, they won't shed a word).

Anyway, no need to worry about that here, it's all quiet on the western front:)

[Renevent]

Actually, right now by far the most offensive people on that forum are those trying to convince everyone the game is good. Any criticism is met with name calling and claiming that person is a moron.

Not to say that the vitriol doesn't exist on the other end of the spectrum though...it does heh.

[Malpheas]

What I think is heartening about this forum is that we have a wide variety of gaming background between the posters here. Generally, most of us are open minded.

I don't mind playing the crank every once in a while, though. Oo, as well, another thing is that the TQ forums never really got out of control, even after the game caught on. Depends on how a forum starts, really.

[zidders]

Part of the reason the bliz forums have gotten so bad is that a)Bliz is huge, with tens of millions of players your going to see a lot wider a spectrum of humanity than on a much smaller, less popular developers forums and b)because of that wide spectrum, the signal to noise ratio is going to be skewed a lot more towards noise. Then, there are the forum regulars who might otherwise be totally cool people who unfortunately fall into the bad habit of encouraging trolls by responding to them.

You also have a lot of people who are unintentional trolls. Wether they have a poor understanding of english or come from a different cultural background-misunderstandings happen and sometimes get compounded. I don't think the GD folks should spend too much time worrying. Anyone whose opinion is worth taking into consideration is going to filter out the chaff. The rest aren't worth troubling yourself too much over.

If the community grows large enough, hopefully at that point Crate will be doing well enough to hire people from within the community who would make good community moderators. For now, don't fret too much about it. This community seems pretty cool...reminds me of the Runic community (we can't wait for your game!). I think you folks will be just fine.

[medierra]

Yeah, I think the problem goes both ways when it comes to people's hyperbolic degrees of defending or criticizing games. I wasn't even really talking about that specifically though. I think there is just a wider problem of people just being totally discourteous. Even worse though, some people set out specifically to be obnoxious and don't even necessarily care about trying to make any sort of point.

I remember back in ye olde days of gaming (like pre-1999) when there was actually an atmosphere of civility and sportsman-like conduct in many game communities that seems amazing and almost unbelievable looking back on it. I mean, sure, there were still jerks but generally they were far and few between and people shunned that sort of behavior. I got into the game industry somewhat by accident as a result of playing Age of Empires competitively. I remember people almost always said "good game" when defeated and even frequently made some effort to compliment the winner's strategy or gameplay. The winner would often say something modest like that they just got lucky or barely won or something to that effect. I remember even after games where I felt frustrated and angry at the defeat, I felt compelled to suck it up and congratulate the winner because it was just good form and it was what people expected. There was more a sense that your online name meant something and you wanted to have a good reputation.

Contrast that to my Warcraft III experience, years later, where I think somewhere upwards of 50% of the games I won resulted in the loser taunting me and calling me a "n00b faggot" or something to that effect (which I never understood since it seems sort of self-defeating to call the person who just beat you a n00b). I remember a few people, from back in the day, who acted kind of cocky because they were top players but nowadays, somehow people seem to act cocky while losing?... I won't even go into my experience playing Gears of War on XboxLive.

I think we're lucky to have such a great group of people on this forum and I hope we can keep it this way as the number of users grows.

[Scryer]

XboxLive hosts the worst of the worst from my experience... and I don't even own an Xbox.

[Renevent]

XboxLive hosts the worst of the worst from my experience... and I don't even own an Xbox.

I think overall my xbox experience has been roughly equivalent to my PC gaming experience...with that said quite a few times I have had some really outlandish things happen to me on xbox live.

[Ashtroga]

I occasionally play call of duty and I remember this one guy added me on his steam friend list after a match. I accepted and then he insulted me for like half an hour and after that he told me that he would find out where I live and burn my house down. So far my house is still standing so perhaps he cooled a bit.

[Roros]

I wrote a huge rant on the "winner=noob" mentality a while back. I was really into UT and its the only series I got somewhat good in, so I got my share of flame and grief. What made me scratch my head and prompted the rant was how the common theme was that the harder you won and the better the opponent you won over was, the worse you were at the game.

The closest I could get to a conclusion was that they expect you to follow their (or in their minds, the commonly established) rules for pro play, and only noobs and cheaters are so brazen and void of gentlemanship that they dare break them. Spamming, camping, lucking, whoring certain weapons, abusing Iwin tactics, etc, are all examples of rules you must not break, but are aspects which they can use as long as they use them "fairly" (ie. On everyone else all the time).

Basically if they get to start a sentence with "you only won because...", you didn't win fairly (or with SKILL, as it is) and only by breaking the rules.

[Rainier Wolfcastle]

Yeah, I think the problem goes both ways when it comes to people's hyperbolic degrees of defending or criticizing games. I wasn't even really talking about that specifically though. I think there is just a wider problem of people just being totally discourteous. Even worse though, some people set out specifically to be obnoxious and don't even necessarily care about trying to make any sort of point.

I remember back in ye olde days of gaming (like pre-1999) when there was actually an atmosphere of civility and sportsman-like conduct in many game communities that seems amazing and almost unbelievable looking back on it. I mean, sure, there were still jerks but generally they were far and few between and people shunned that sort of behavior. I got into the game industry somewhat by accident as a result of playing Age of Empires competitively. I remember people almost always said "good game" when defeated and even frequently made some effort to compliment the winner's strategy or gameplay. The winner would often say something modest like that they just got lucky or barely won or something to that effect. I remember even after games where I felt frustrated and angry at the defeat, I felt compelled to suck it up and congratulate the winner because it was just good form and it was what people expected. There was more a sense that your online name meant something and you wanted to have a good reputation.

Contrast that to my Warcraft III experience, years later, where I think somewhere upwards of 50% of the games I won resulted in the loser taunting me and calling me a "n00b faggot" or something to that effect (which I never understood since it seems sort of self-defeating to call the person who just beat you a n00b). I remember a few people, from back in the day, who acted kind of cocky because they were top players but nowadays, somehow people seem to act cocky while losing?... I won't even go into my experience playing Gears of War on XboxLive.

I think we're lucky to have such a great group of people on this forum and I hope we can keep it this way as the number of users grows.

This made my day reading it. It brings back memories of the glory days. Back when LAN parties were all the rage and people just generally were nice about the game because they all knew at the end of the day it was just a game. Now gaming is serious business and apparently you have to hate on everyone for no good reason. If you want to see the worst of the gaming community try heroes of newerth or leauge of legends. Those 2 by far have the worst player communities I have ever seen. I think i would rather nail my genitals to a 2x4 than ever play either of those games again. For me the community makes or breaks a game (unless its single player). I still think LAN parties need to come back. Why don't these exist anymore? They were a blast. Something that playing over the internet can never hope to achieve that level of fun.

[zidders]

I think we're lucky to have such a great group of people on this forum and I hope we can keep it this way as the number of users grows.

I think what we're experiencing is the fact that we're seeing a wider cross section of society on the net. I think if the internet had been as accessible as it is now back then, you would have seen the same thing then that you're seeing now;

http://www.arinmorf.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/20040319h.jpg

Let's face it. Most people suck, it's just that now, more of them have an internet connection.

[Kardiophylax]

Blizzard (and its fans) has changed a lot since the pre World of Warcraft days. I think a lot of people that didn't play WoW are going to be a bit surprised at how different the player base and philosophy surrounding Diablo 3 is going to be.

I've tried to convince my co-workers that D3 is not going to be like the D2 they remember. Hopefully they believe me, but if not, they'll find out for themselves.

I still think LAN parties need to come back. Why don't these exist anymore? They were a blast. Something that playing over the internet can never hope to achieve that level of fun.

They do, somewhat. My coworkers and I still have LAN party nights once or twice a month. It is difficult to setup as many of us have children, wives, other responsibilities, etc.

[Mind Dragon]

Attracted by the hype and popularity and then roil in it.

All the big games have them -- cheaters, griefers....

[ASYLUM101]

LAN Parties!!!

I used to do one with my cousins and bro once or twice a month but it's hard now with all of us having jobs, school, etc at different times.

nothing like socking the guy next to you for killing your guy

[yerkyerk]

If you want to see the worst of the gaming community try heroes of newerth or leauge of legends.
HoN sports a community that is far worse than LoL, tbh..

As for most of the insults, I've grown accustomed that you or your teammates will be called noobs by your teammates from the start and that you're the worst teammates they ever played with. I also ignore those users, usually I know which users I end up ignoring in the first half minute of the match selection.

Anyway, LAN parties are still a lot of fun.

[Tenka]

Almost every other comment is basically how stupid the person above them is.You went into a rant thread and told someone he had his head stuck up his a$$, then you come back here and tell us how everything is horrible over there and you've quit the forum for good?

[zidders]

You went into a rant thread and told someone he had his head stuck up his a$$, then you come back here and tell us how everything is horrible over there and you've quit the forum for good?

I don't exactly see where he said anything like that in this thread. Be that as it may, you yourself are in a rant thread ranting about someone ranting in a rant thread and then coming here to rant about it.

Rantception?

Relax. We're past the reasons for his post and onto the finer subtleties of human discourse in a world gone mad.

[icedmetal57]

Unfortunately chivalry is dying gaming world. There are plenty of times I get frustrated while playing online games, maybe I have poor teammates in the case of League of Legends, which happens quite often, I don't go insulting them or the other team too. It's funny, if I queue up a game of League of Legends with at least one friend, the games go great, win or lose there's little frustration or annoyance to be had for some reason.

As for LAN parties, I try to do like one or two a month with a group of like 6 or so friends and we all just have a great time. There are times during them where someone will get pissed off by something going on in a game like they might be losing really badly or something then at the end of it all we're all laughing, joking around, having a good time. People need to realize that games are a form of entertainment and should not be taken too seriously. They also need to learn the difference between objectivity and subjectivity as that seems to be one of the major problems in gaming; "my favorite game is better than all other games, and if you think otherwise you're stupid."

[Ragnar]

Insulting in games and forums are two different things. I can understand the reason (but do not approve it) if someone is losing, so he gets angry and starts trolling or somthing, because one of the reasons of playing game is to win (and have fun). But i don't understand when people do it on forums. The purpose of forums are to give different ideas and to talk about it, to say what you like, and what you don't.

I'm really getting tempted to join some diablo forum and to try to as much polite as i can say what I dont like about diablo, and to see if people will still start insulting. So anyone knows what is the worst diablo community? diablofans, incgamers, battlnet or some other? If they are realy assholse or blind fanboys, il maybe even start trolling to have fun:D.

[Skellt]

Insulting in games and forums are two different things. I can understand the reason (but do not approve it) if someone is losing, so he gets angry and starts trolling or somthing, because one of the reasons of playing game is to win (and have fun). But i don't understand when people do it on forums. The purpose of forums are to give different ideas and to talk about it, to say what you like, and what you don't.

I'm really getting tempted to join some diablo forum and to try to as much polite as i can say what I dont like about diablo, and to see if people will still start insulting. So anyone knows what is the worst diablo community? diablofans, incgamers, battlnet or some other? If they are realy assholse or blind fanboys, il maybe even start trolling to have fun:D.


then again forums are also meant to voice an opinion, which includes anger, joy or.. anything for that matter.. forums are meant for everything.

And by giving in to their anger and trying to troll them i do not see the difference between you and them.

You dont like the game and want to voice it out to raise anger, they do and express their joy, what is the difference?

[Ragnar]

then again forums are also meant to voice an opinion, which includes anger, joy or.. anything for that matter.. forums are meant for everything.

And by giving in to their anger and trying to troll them i do not see the difference between you and them.

You dont like the game and want to voice it out to raise anger, they do and express their joy, what is the difference?

Forums for games are not for expressing feelings and anger, or joy tower other people in the forum. You can hate or love a game, but you can't insult other people because of it.

[Darkenmal]

I have some fears this forum will also not be the nicest place to be around shortly after the game's released, but that'll be temporary and not nearly as bad as the Bliz forums, heh.

*reverently passes whip of banning*

[Harlequin]

I remember the time when I played BattleForge. I got into the first wave of the beta and the entire atmosphere was overall nice and fun especially the pre-beta time but as soon as the game went open-beta and the community grew it went downhill for a while even though it was nothing compared to Blizz-forums. :D
Due to different decisions made by EA Phenomic the game lost (lots of) popularity and the community became a lot nicer again.^^

I personally only left the game because I couldnt stand the attitude of the developers/EA anymore. Knowing someone who works in a studio might give you more information that you want to. :/
(Lead-balancer saying the community is stupid and generally ignoring balance-suggestions from players who actually play the game and know what they are talking about, etc)

[Tenka]

I don't exactly see where he said anything like that in this thread. On the Blizz forums :rolleyes:

[DragonWolf]

*reverently passes whip of banning*

I remember holding that whip a time or two back when I moderated the RPG section of the Outwar forum. That had to be a good eight years ago now and while things never got truely bad and it was a very mellow kind of place compaired to nowadays with the flamming and spam, there was enough to keep myself and my fellow mods busy.

If nothing else we had fun reading the generaly bad grammer and spelling.
:D

As for the D3 forums I won't even set foot in that cesspool. I like having my limbs and skin intact and not leaving a place feeling like I need to go have a shower and scrub vigirously.

[Darkenmal]

I remember holding that whip a time or two back when I moderated the RPG section of the Outwar forum. That had to be a good eight years ago now and while things never got truely bad and it was a very mellow kind of place compaired to nowadays with the flamming and spam, there was enough to keep myself and my fellow mods busy.

If nothing else we had fun reading the generaly bad grammer and spelling.
:D

As for the D3 forums I won't even set foot in that cesspool. I like having my limbs and skin intact and not leaving a place feeling like I need to go have a shower and scrub vigirously.

Oh come on, its not that bad.

Sure there are a ton of trolls, but there some truly intelligent people that inhabit those forums, and there is some good educated discussion going on right now.

Grim Dawn forums are probably going to look more like that in the future, because people will actually bother to hang out here, and not just the die hards like us that chill here from time to time... or all the time.

[Malpheas]

When you have to look to see the good threads, there is less point in trying to discuss anything of value. Forums become a waste of time at that point.