Please don't...

[emccalment]

Release this anywhere near the release of Diablo 3. Like, as soon as possible would be preferable. Not because I'm itchin to play it. But because if it comes out anywhere near Diablo 3, it's gonna get overshadowed, hard. Like real hard. It's a guaranteed recipe for a flop, which I would very much not like to see. Keep up the work and I'll be sure to buy a key sometime soon. I'm about to go play Titan Quest right now, lol.

PS: Any chance this Grim Dawn would run on Linux? That would make my heart smile.

[ASYLUM101]

Dude, lol, they've already mentioned a few times they wouldn't make that mistake. :P This question should be put up on an FAQ somewhere....

[yerkyerk]

As for Linux, read up on that here; http://www.grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67&highlight=linux


And welcome, btw!

[Roros]

I'd imagine they're very aware of their place next to Diablo3, and I wouldn't be surprised if part of the plan is to surf the D3 wave - be it to grab people who are looking for a fix before D3, or something to play after finishing it.

[emccalment]

Hopefully it's the before wave thing. People still play D2 pretty regularly, lol.

[yerkyerk]

If it's before the wave, people will play it to get their D2 shot in. If it's after the wave, the genre might be popularized and people will be looking for similar games. If it's during the wave, well...

[OblivioN]

There is no "wave" after Diablo 3. Once it's released, no other ARPG will get any love for years, unless of course, you count the D3 expansion.

I'd say Crate has a good 12-18 months to get this out before Diablo 3 sweeps the genre.

[Betrayer]

I would GUESS that Diablo 3 would bring more people to the genre. Just like WoW made the MMO space bigger for EVERYONE, I think D3 will make the ARPG space bigger. Most people won't play one game forever, they'll be looking for similar games like Grim Dawn. Obviously at launch I'd guess the rest of the genre will be seriously lacking players, but that won't last forever.

I'm just wondering if D3 will spark a deluge of games in the genre like WoW did with MMOs. I've always been amazed at the lack of developers capitalizing on the success of Diablo 1 and 2. For so long the genre was barren, except for some pretty crappy games. TQ was the first really GOOD Diablo clone to come out by a respectable developer. That took forever!
Now though, we just had Torchlight released, and we have Grim Dawn coming up, and I can only imagine that there are more similar games in the works... Especially with the hype regarding D3, and since the entire industry is probably watching Blizzard very closely so they can be a part of the next big thing.

[Roros]

There is no "wave" after Diablo 3. Once it's released, no other ARPG will get any love for years, unless of course, you count the D3 expansion.

I'd say Crate has a good 12-18 months to get this out before Diablo 3 sweeps the genre.

Most people will play through D3 once and put it aside. I know you and I (and most people we know) might be different, but we're the minority. You can ask around on forums and get a different picture, but that's because people who are into gaming to such a degree that they'll participate in forum debates about them (let alone D3 specifically) are more in the core user category.

[OblivioN]

Most people will play through D3 once and put it aside. I know you and I (and most people we know) might be different, but we're the minority. You can ask around on forums and get a different picture, but that's because people who are into gaming to such a degree that they'll participate in forum debates about them (let alone D3 specifically) are more in the core user category.

Actually, most people that buy Diablo 3 will play through it five times and that's not including the people that will play through it on multiple difficulties. Diablo 2 still has bigger player presence online than most brand new games.

[myrmidon]

If GD ever does come out next to our d3 in my opinion will most sertently smash d3 into.....diablo

[medierra]

Actually, most people that buy Diablo 3 will play through it five times and that's not including the people that will play through it on multiple difficulties. Diablo 2 still has bigger player presence online than most brand new games.

I think many hardcore gamers might make this assumption based on their own play-habits but statistically it is not the case for the vast majority of players. Hardcore players that replay their favorite games over and over, as I assume many of us here do, are in the minority as far as the total gaming audience goes. Various statistics I've seen suggest that a large portion, if not most, of the people who buy any given game won't even complete it once. The overwhelming majority, probably above 75% will either never complete a game or do so only once. I would guess that number is more like 90% but I don't remember the exact figures.

I would expect that for a top franchise like Diablo, there is a larger portion of players who will replay the game with greater frequency. However, I'd be surprised if that number is more then 50% and I doubt it will even be that high. When I say this, I am in no way knocking D3 or suggesting it won't be incredible - most gamers just don't replay games just like most of the gaming audience doesn't register on forums or play multiplayer.

Look at the number registered users on the titanquest.net or torchlight forums. The number is less than 1/10th of the people who bought those games. I'd guess that some portion of those registered users didn't actually buy the games but pirated them, which it an even smaller percentage. Even if 100% of the people on game forums replay the game 5 times, that's less than 10% of the audience.

[Panthro]

I recall playing Diablo only once through completely, and a couple of other times in part.

Diablo 2, I completed twice, and also a few partial playthroughs.

I have also recently bought Grim Dawn, Titan Quest and Torchlight...

I would be happy to wager that there are as many folks like me who buy several of these ARPGs as there are that play one many times and multiplayer.

These arguements about GD being "swallowed" by the release of D3 are complete nonsense. The sales figures for a game like GD to be considered successful (paying for development, marketing and salary) are far smaller than the so called "AAA" games like D3 (which have far larger staff costs, marketing costs etc.).

[link to Gamasutra about games completion] (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/4171/staying_power_rethinking_feedback_.php?print=1)

[Skorpion_King]

Please don't...
Release this anywhere near the release of Diablo 3. Like, as soon as possible would be preferable. I fully disagree, release the game "as soon as possible" is a bad advice, the game must be released "when finished", free of bugs, etc. Sure you know what i mean.

And release Grim Dawn before Diablo 3 can also be a mistake... most people is now waiting for Diablo 3... and any game release today will be look as "a game just for the time waiting for Diablo3."

Grim Dawn can be more than that, can be "The Adversary", The Rival, the Nemesis of Diablo 3, and in my opinion, must fight for that. Titan Quest legacy allow and deserve that.

So my petition would be:
"Don´t make a game for people who are just waiting for Diablo 3."

[Malpheas]

Well yes, but "possible" can have many meanings. I still think it's discretionary. Anywho, semantics abound here.

[Ironpunta]

Anyway, not because I want to kiss the ... :D, but the respect that Crate already show to the fans is 100 times better then the one of Blizzard-Diablo 3 team :furious:
Using a metaphor, and I hope CRATE won't take offense, until now BLIZZARD play the role of the captain of the cheerleader team (snob, arrogant and untouchable) while CRATE play the role of the prettiest classmate to ever ask you (the NERD) to help her with her homework...(open-minded, grateful and superiour to gossip):rolleyes:

[MadWasp]

I fully disagree, release the game "as soon as possible" is a bad advice, the game must be released "when finished", free of bugs, etc. Sure you know what i mean.

And release Grim Dawn before Diablo 3 can also be a mistake... most people is now waiting for Diablo 3... and any game release today will be look as "a game just for the time waiting for Diablo3."

Grim Dawn can be more than that, can be "The Adversary", The Rival, the Nemesis of Diablo 3, and in my opinion, must fight for that. Titan Quest legacy allow and deserve that.

So my petition would be:
"Don´t make a game for people who are just waiting for Diablo 3."

Clever words. I couldn't say cleaner. Agreed as my own ideas.;)

[Goekhan]

I don't think Diablo 3 will be like any of its successors, Diablo 1 and Diablo 2. As far as I know, no one that worked on Diablo 1 and/or Diablo 2 are working on Diablo 3. Even Matt Uelmen (music composer) left Blizzard finally.

In my opinion, Diablo 3 will be a hack&slash copy of WoW that is based on Diablo universe. Yeah, as a hack&slash game, it can be very good, but Diablo has a special place for me, and what I've said about the game is a "butchering" in my terms.

More info on Diablo 1 & 2 - Blizzard bought a firm called Condor back in the times. Then renamed it as Blizzard North. Condor was going to finish Diablo 1 then, but Blizzard ordered them to rush. Result was Diablo 1, well polished but lacked many things from what Condor had intended, most importantly, designed game had 5 characters, but release had 3 (2 had to be cut off). Diablo 2 was rushed again, and lost some things like horadric cube recipe scrolls (they're graphically in-game, but has no use at all). I just hope that this time Blizzard will take their time with Diablo 3, and won't butcher the game like they did with WoW.