Buy Now! is back online!

[medierra]

Well, after much ordeal we are finally back in business. phew!

The world can once again purchase Grim Dawn game-keys to support this lofty, although possibly insane, endeavor. We apologize to those enthusiastic fans waiting to contribute who were forced to endure the long wait.

Those of you who may have visited our old contribution page will notice that it has been dramatically altered. We've had to get a little more formal to comply with various requirements mandated by our bank and by Visa / MasterCard. Not our choice but such is the world of business.

Thank you again for being such a great audience!

-arthur

[yerkyerk]

Great!

Luckily I preordered just in time, as I have no creditcard nor do I tend to use one. I'm afraid this is a problem for a lot of users - at least in my country. I think credit cards are mainly popular within the US.

Anyway, it's great to see that one means of donation/preordering is back up.

[medierra]

Great!

Luckily I preordered just in time, as I have no creditcard nor do I tend to use one. I'm afraid this is a problem for a lot of users - at least in my country. I think credit cards are mainly popular within the US.

Anyway, it's great to see that one means of donation/preordering is back up.

Yeah, PayPal seems to really seems to be the most popular service for this sort of thing. It is unfortunate that we can't use their service until after release. Google Checkout and Amazon Simple have similar solutions, although not as popular, but we worry about running into the same problem with them as we did with PayPal.

[corwiniii]

Just bought an Epic key. Can't wait for the beta to be released. I hope this helps some of the development.

For those without credit cards, is there an option in those countries for either physical pre-paid cards or virtual cards through a bank? Maybe I'm just a jaded American who thinks everything is accessible to everybody...

[Katje]

This was good news.

Unfortunaly I don't have a credit card.

[yerkyerk]

Besides Paypal, there's iDEAL in the Benelux (which is actually my preferred method of payment).

Or just payment through an online transaction - I think I can sent money to any account with internet banking. Though such transactions might have to be manually processed by Crate staff if they were coupled to pre-orders.

But if Crate's bank account number was known, it should allow for easy donating, right?

[Katje]

Indeed if Crate's bank account was known, then it is possible and very easy for people in the benelux.

[zyklop]

If there is only a creditcard number, you should not expect many donations from countries in the EU. "Plastic money" is not very popular, except the normal bank cards like "EC". There is simply no need for credit cards in the European Union, even for travelers. We have the "Euro" and a money union with nearly all countries into the EU.
So i strongly recommend you to offer a "normal" bank account in addition to the creditcard. ;)

[Mines51]

Well, good new at least we can pay in SOME form. I can pay but not everyone has a credit card..

[yerkyerk]

Lol, seems like you can never get things right :)

Blasted Paypal.. :furious:

[Coridan]

Glad to see it's back up and running! Pre-order, here I come!

[chris01]

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
but i have a question i live in europe can i still pay??????????????

[Rhis]

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
but i have a question i live in europe can i still pay??????????????

Shouldn't be a problem. From the authorize.net FAQ:

Does Authorize.Net support international transactions?
Yes. Merchants can submit transactions to the payment gateway on behalf of non-U.S. customers. To do so, the merchant's bank account must be with a financial institution located in the United States, and the merchant must be configured to accept the customer's card type: Visa, MasterCard, American Express, Discover, JCB, Diner's Club, or EnRoute. The payment gateway will submit the amount of the transaction to the customer's card issuer, who will then handle all currency conversion to U.S. dollars. Since default Address Verification Service (AVS) settings may cause foreign transactions to be declined, merchants who plan to regularly accept international transactions should make sure that their AVS settings are configured to meet their business needs.

Let us know how it works out.

[Coridan]

Shouldn't be a problem. From the authorize.net FAQ:



Let us know how it works out.

It depends on if you guys are set up with an international processor or domestic. If you went with domestic, which people usually do, there will definitely be some issues when trying to process international transactions. Also it depends on your AVS settings, as those only work correctly for US transactions. Most processors don't have an AVS system for international transactions. If you have strict AVS requirements set with your account, they likely won't make it past that stage.

[eisprinzessin]

... or is this the opportunity for us in the EU to switch to a decent bank? One that does not charge you any fees and gives you a free credit card? :D

[medierra]

If there is only a creditcard number, you should not expect many donations from countries in the EU. "Plastic money" is not very popular, except the normal bank cards like "EC". There is simply no need for credit cards in the European Union, even for travelers. We have the "Euro" and a money union with nearly all countries into the EU.
So i strongly recommend you to offer a "normal" bank account in addition to the creditcard. ;)

We're looking into other options. See, this just keeps getting more complicated! :o

The main problem is that we need to figure out how to set things up in a way that doesn't require us to manually process the transaction otherwise it is going to be too much of a distraction from actually developing the game.

We'll figure something out!

[medierra]

It looks like we should be able to expand out service to cover echecks. We'll apply for that on Monday and post here once we have it set up.

[Vorkronor]

Couldn't you just produce something so you can fulfill the PayPal obligations? Something like Grim Dawn posters in three variants ... one for $48, the other for $32 and the third for $20 ... and you send a Serial along with the poster. That way you're selling something, not just future goods ;)

[yerkyerk]

A digital poster ofcourse, otherwise there's this huge transaction cost...

[TECHNOmancer]

For Crate: $48.00

For TECHNOmancer: SATISFACTION!

It's great to see that prepayment is up and running again. I'm glad to help with the new venture and want to thank you again for hundreds of hours of enjoyment while playing TQ.

TECHNOmancer

[MadWasp]

A digital poster ofcourse, otherwise there's this huge transaction cost...

Maybe a working method to produce more income by fanatics...


Not bad.

[yerkyerk]

Well, you'd buy the (exrtemely overpriced) poster and get a free key as a gift..

[MadWasp]

Well, you'd buy the (exrtemely overpriced) poster and get a free key as a gift..

it's a deal. The keyword is: SUPPORT.;)

[medierra]

Couldn't you just produce something so you can fulfill the PayPal obligations? Something like Grim Dawn posters in three variants ... one for $48, the other for $32 and the third for $20 ... and you send a Serial along with the poster. That way you're selling something, not just future goods ;)

Yeah we've thought about trying to do something like that. Producing and shipping physical objects would be much too expensive for it to be cost-effective. A virtual item like yerk mentioned is an interesting alternative but we worry that it would actually make us look more suspicious. Also, since it is a virtual good, it poses the same type of risk since people can potentially claim they never got it and cause a charge-back. Naturally, we don't expect that to happen but PayPal doesn't know us or understand that we have fans who want to contribute to the project before we near release. PayPal's main fear seems to be that people will contribute without realizing that the game is still early in development and then cause a massive amount of chargebacks when they find out.

Our first objective is to get a more reliable payment system in place so that we don't end up high-and-dry again unable to process payments at all. We could try to find some way to resume business with PayPal but it is difficult to get a clear answer from them on what is acceptable and we don't want to start a new account and run into the same issue.

On top of all this, we also really don't want to spend too much more time on this. We want to develop the game, not deal with payment issues and I'm sure most of you would like us to do the same.

[Delysid]

Thanks for getting the pre purchase available again, hopefully my order will help the game a little bit. :)

[Rhis]

Thanks for getting the pre purchase available again, hopefully my order will help the game a little bit. :)

It sure will. Thanks for your support.

[Iconik]

AWESOME! Gonna have to pre-order tomorrow....I have a ladyfriend over right now. :0

[Chameleon]

What you need is for someone to donate $5,000,000 and then you dont have to worry about all this.:D

[Z3us]

Damnit, I can't pay because I don't have a credit card ....
Transaction please?

[Ironpunta]

Just bought a Legendary key, and i think that the payment is very fast and simple:D
Anyway i think that after the success of TL because is only avaiable on steam and other on-line shops, this way of payment is the right choice Crate;)

[chris01]

will there by any paypal no?? ehh??

[corwiniii]

What is needed is an honest middle man to take the money via paypal from those who only have that option and then pay with middle man's credit card and forward along the key, etc.

I just took a look at some online poker sites and they offer "Instant eChecks" and "Click2Pay (http://www.click2pay.com/)."

[Cytek]

I keep trying to purchase, and I get the following message. Thank you for .....Almost ordering Grim Dawn your order was not completed, if you would still like to order the game go back to grim dawn web site and use the link provided. I get this after entering my credit card info and hiting submit. Is anyone else having this issue. I would like to purchase this game. FYI trying to purchase legendary edition.

[Rhis]

Damnit, I can't pay because I don't have a credit card ....
Transaction please?

Echecks are coming soon. :)

[rjeid]

Hey guys! I'm glad to see the donations are back as I only found out about the site & donations last week so they were unavailable to me. However, I have a couple of questions.

My brother does not have a CC, but I do, so I want to make 2 donations (one to represent his support, one to represent mine), and will do so regardless of the answers but I just want to be sure about stuff.

1. If I use the same CC for both, is there a problem with me giving him one of the keys?
2. If both donations are legendary (and they will be), will I be able to submit both his & my name for the credit? Is it possible for him to do it himself? (What info is required for that, exactly?)

Cheers,
RJD

[Rhis]

Hey guys! I'm glad to see the donations are back as I only found out about the site & donations last week so they were unavailable to me. However, I have a couple of questions.

My brother does not have a CC, but I do, so I want to make 2 donations (one to represent his support, one to represent mine), and will do so regardless of the answers but I just want to be sure about stuff.

1. If I use the same CC for both, is there a problem with me giving him one of the keys?
2. If both donations are legendary (and they will be), will I be able to submit both his & my name for the credit? Is it possible for him to do it himself? (What info is required for that, exactly?)

Cheers,
RJD

They are your keys, you can do what you want with them. Giving one to someone else as a gift is fine. The only thing we will really be looking for is a situation where a key got released in public, which we might then ban from any multiplayer matchmaking.

You will be able to submit both names, here: http://www.grimdawn.com/setcreditname.php

You enter the email address and the key you want to set, so he could do his own.

Thanks for your support, we appreciate it.

[rjeid]

Sweet, thanks for the (very!) quick response! I look forward to supporting you guys whenever I can. :)

Cheers,
RJD

[Z3us]

Echecks are coming soon. :)

Splendid!
I cannot express how much I love you guys, if I could buy 100 legendaries I would :D

[Shattered.likeness]

Just bought my Legendary Key!! Looking forward to seeing everyone in the Alpha/ Beta.

[medierra]

Awesome - thanks for the positive comments everyone!

[Sp3tSnAz]

Hi all, just a quick question regarding the echecks, are these through PayPal or other means?

Just asking as I deposited money in PayPal when the payment options went down, and now I don't know whether I should spend that dollar fee to transfer the money to my debit card so I can pay with that (they work same way as credit cards online). Or will I just be able to use the money in PayPal once the echeck option is available?

Cheers.

[medierra]

echecks will be through our current provider - authorize.net

Unfortunately, it is unlikely that we will be able to use PayPal until we release the game.

[Rhis]

I keep trying to purchase, and I get the following message. Thank you for .....Almost ordering Grim Dawn your order was not completed, if you would still like to order the game go back to grim dawn web site and use the link provided. I get this after entering my credit card info and hiting submit. Is anyone else having this issue. I would like to purchase this game. FYI trying to purchase legendary edition.

Doh, missed your post. If you are still having issues, pm me the email address you used, or email us at support@crateentertainment.com and i'll look into it.

[Jeremy2020]

The process was simple and easy. Doesn't paypal have a "virtual credit card" option? I guess the e-checks take care of the issue though.

[gvblake22]

I just placed my Epic pre-order; I can't wait! Thanks Crate! :D

[Rhis]

The process was simple and easy. Doesn't paypal have a "virtual credit card" option? I guess the e-checks take care of the issue though.

We cant use PayPal.

I just placed my Epic pre-order; I can't wait! Thanks Crate! :D

Thanks for your support!

[Jeremy2020]

We cant use PayPal.

I was talking about for the buyer. I thought that you generate a "virtual credit card" to purchase things with your paypal account.

[alexei]

Maybe you should read this thread first. They got paypal setup before for all three package pre-order purchase and donation, but it got blocked by paypal.

http://www.grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156

[chris01]

paypal should be ashamed :(

[MadWasp]

paypal should be ashamed :(

This new solution is better than paypal! Are you ready to legendary alpha?:D

[chris01]

This new solution is better than paypal! Are you ready to legendary alpha?:D

hahahahaha of course

[Z3us]

Echecks are coming soon. :)

Any progress on this?
I really want to contribute :)

[Annihilator]

I wanted to buy the legendary version right now, but Paypal isn't supported. :( Thats a shame as I don't have a credit card.

I think the virtual credit card thing of Paypal is only in beta and you need an invite. I don't see a chance buying this if I don't have a CC. :| I really wanted to contribute.

What are echecks?

[Dr.Phibes]

Yeah, such a shame.
Damn you America for being different!

[Annihilator]

Yeah, such a shame.
Damn you America for being different!

Was that sarcasm? Yes it is a shame because now I'm not able to give them my money.:eek:

[medierra]

Any progress on this?
I really want to contribute :)

We've applied for this service and hopefully will hear back from our account rep next week.

echecks allow you to pay online using a bank account similar to the way normal checks work, except without a physical check.

Right now we're focusing on development but will put some more time into the payment issue in the next couple weeks. Sorry for the inconvenience but we do need to keep development on track. :)

[Wildman]

Ok I broke down and did it, picked up a legendary.

I must be nuts for doing it, but I love TQ Immortal Throne and I think you folks at Crate deserve to be vindicated for your hard work at Iron Lore on TQ so enjoy and good luck, I'm looking forward to seeing Grim Dawn become a success.

[Pimpernel]

I just bought the Legendary Fan Edition as well. I bought the Gold Edition of Titan Quest on Steam at the end of last year, but didn't get around to playing it until about a week ago. Playing with two friends who bought it during the last Steam sale, and it's a blast - I haven't had this much fun playing coop since, well.. a long time ago.

I knew Iron Lore Entertainment had been shut down, so I became increasingly sad whilst playing, knowing there wouldn't be a sequel (I'd love to see norse mythology and travel the lands of Scandinavia in TQ2). When I found out about Grim Dawn and the fan support, I didn't even hesitate for a second.

So, thank you for making TQ and best of luck with GD! :D

[DamienIII]

I would like to buy a legendary fan edition, but since I don't have a credit card and don't live in the usa it seems i can't.:cry:

[Z3us]

I would like to buy a legendary fan edition, but since I don't have a credit card and don't live in the usa it seems i can't.:cry:

Don't worry, you're not alone :undecided:

[Mindray]

Will there be box version?

[medierra]

We think there is a reasonable chance that we will sign a distribution deal with someone to put out a box copy but we're not sure when this might happen.

[Mindray]

Hehe I was too hasty, and already pre-ordered this game some time ago - it will be my first game purchased in digital form btw.

I'm just curious, if there will be any content differences between digital and retail box version - something like Runic did with Torchlight.

EDIT:

I forgot to ask something. I might be wrong, but I read somewhere, you will be testing this game with players different PC setups; to optimize code for best performance. When it will take place?

[eisprinzessin]

Too hasty - I don't think so ... at least I have the impression, that the boxed version will become available weeks/months after the digital release. How long could you wait ... knowing that all of us will be playing GD then?

[Mindray]

How long could you wait ... knowing that all of us will be playing GD then?

I dont see what difference does that make, when I will play it.

[1980SAT]

I just bought my EPIC FAN EDITION :) If this game will be as fun to play as TQ, then I'll be satisfied!

And few words to the old IRON LORE/new CRATE Entertainment - You are doing GREAT JOB people! After TQ + IT [which, in my opinion, was far better than Diablo 2] You have my full trust/support!

Greetings
SAT

[Bleh]

Bought my version this week and seeing the latest sceenshot I can't wait.
And I completely agree with the posted above me.

[ASYLUM101]

Bought my version this week and seeing the latest sceenshot I can't wait.
And I completely agree with the posted above me.

Not everyone feels the same as us fanatics. D3 fans for example, keep trying to burn GD, and Shodan doesn't feel the need to preorder, he wants a box. :P

[medierra]

Hehe I was too hasty, and already pre-ordered this game some time ago - it will be my first game purchased in digital form btw.

I'm just curious, if there will be any content differences between digital and retail box version - something like Runic did with Torchlight.

EDIT:

I forgot to ask something. I might be wrong, but I read somewhere, you will be testing this game with players different PC setups; to optimize code for best performance. When it will take place?

While I think there will be a box version, currently we haven't made any plans for releasing one, so I don't know for certain whether it would be any different. I don't see why it would though unless we released it a long time after the downloadable version and needed to include a patches with it or something along those lines. What was different in the box version of Torchlight?

We haven't set a date yet for alpha / beta as we don't have a release date but my expectation is that we'd begin this probably 3-4 months prior to release or hopefully even sooner if we can manage it.

[Perturabo]

Torchlight had a third pet in the boxed version - a ferret if I recall right.

[dunafew]

With a Legendary key in my back pocket, I'm looking forward to alpha/beta.

Thanks for working hard for all us fans of TQIT!

[Mindray]

What was different in the box version of Torchlight?


They added Ferret pet as a bonus to box version. Thats kind of pointless, if you ask me, because you can download it as a mod, but apparently, they wanted to squeeze more money.



Not everyone feels the same as us fanatics. D3 fans for example, keep trying to burn GD, and Shodan doesn't feel the need to preorder, he wants a box. :P

IF you read more careful, you will notice that I already pre-ordered.

Dunno who is trying to burn GD, D3 fans, maybe some, but I noticed that with many other games genres, its quite common. Anyway, Im not into soft/hardware fanboy wars, its useless. I just buy what I need/like and dont brag about it, albeit I love reading peoples drunken ramblings and intoxicated epiphanies.

[Hawkn]

Actually the only reason they added the ferret to the box version, and not the downloadable, is because of a licensing agreement. They had to have something new in the box.

I'm a big TL fan, and i will probably buy D3, but i wish the devs of GD the best of luck, and i will probably pick up a beta preorder soon. Not all people want to "burn" new games. :D

[koji]

Which is a good thing you got it sorted, just picked up the Legendary edition. Devs for action RPGs / lootfests can't get enough support imo!

Best of luck to you lads!

[Shen]

Is there an expiration date on the legendary offer? I'm merely observing for now, but if I like what I see come closer to launch, I'd love to be able to test the alpha version.

[Shen]

Is there an expiration date on the legendary offer? I'm merely observing for now, but if I like what I see come closer to launch, I'd love to be able to test the alpha version.

*bump*

can anyone answer this?

[yerkyerk]

The expiration date is at least till alpha starts, but perhaps even till retail.

Medierra said it somewhere, sometime :)

[medierra]

I'm not certain what we'll do with the legendary edition once Alpha comes out but, at the moment, I don't see any reason to take it down. Who knows, maybe we'll just leave it up indefinitely for anyone who thinks the game is worth it and wants to pay more.

That said, I don't think this will happen but maybe we'd pull the legendary down if for some reason we decided we needed to limit the number of people in the alpha. Currently we have no plans to do that but I don't want to say anything will definitely be the case at this point.

[Yggdrasil]

I'm sure there are people like me who bought the legendary edition only to show their support. They do not get involved much in alpha.

[getter77]

Definitely hope the Legendary stays up upon Alpha arrival, as that's been my planned time to secure the cash for it from the start. I'm trying to get better about using cash on a quick turnaround in terms of gaming endeavors, aside from it being yet another fresh motivator to do good work within the Alpha testing.

:stares at stack of games he bought long before he had a system to play them on to support good gaming notions, eventually got the system, yet still hasn't quite had time to play: ;p

[Aesir Rising]

I'm not certain what we'll do with the legendary edition once Alpha comes out <snip>

I'm interested in the game and have checked the site for updates periodically these past months. I registered on the forums now to ask for two things:

1) That an email go out (forum registration email address) in advance of an alpha start, and (related)
2) That advance notice via email go out for any planned changes to available purchase options... including for that Legendary Platinum Collector's Edition Gold Director's Cut Uncut Edition Version I see on the store page.

I hesitate to spend on something that doesn't yet exist. I also don't want to miss an opportunity. So, I hope you understand why I'm asking for these advance notifications.

Thanks!

[KPEX]

Ok I broke down and did it, picked up a legendary.

I must be nuts for doing it, but I love TQ Immortal Throne and I think you folks at Crate deserve to be vindicated for your hard work at Iron Lore on TQ so enjoy and good luck, I'm looking forward to seeing Grim Dawn become a success.

Exactly why i also purchased the legendary version :)

also for those they are saying they dont have a credit card... are you serious? ok, If you are, grab your phone and ring your bank about 'debit visa/mastercard' works like a credit card but uses your savings account...

[EmperorZanus]

Well, after much ordeal we are finally back in business. phew!

The world can once again purchase Grim Dawn game-keys to support this lofty, although possibly insane, endeavor. We apologize to those enthusiastic fans waiting to contribute who were forced to endure the long wait.

Those of you who may have visited our old contribution page will notice that it has been dramatically altered. We've had to get a little more formal to comply with various requirements mandated by our bank and by Visa / MasterCard. Not our choice but such is the world of business.

Thank you again for being such a great audience!

-arthur

Cool deal. I plan on contributing monetarily in the near future. Keep up the good work!!! Can't Wait to play Grim Dawn!!

EZ

[rjeid]

2) That advance notice via email go out for any planned changes to available purchase options... including for that Legendary Platinum Collector's Edition Gold Director's Cut Uncut Edition Version I see on the store page.

You know... I read this and my first thought was "Oh shit, a new option better than Legendary?! Hell yeah!" and I got excited about making another donation. And then I got to the store page and saw the regular 3 options.

You tease. :(

[Wildman]

I'm sure there are people like me who bought the legendary edition only to show their support. They do not get involved much in alpha.

Cheers to that, I put my money up to help support the development of GD not to sneak in to the Alpha

[Spoon of Doom]

Cheers to that, I put my money up to help support the development of GD not to sneak in to the Alpha

Amen. When I bought the legendary key, I didn't even know it could get me into the alpha.
Yeah, I kinda got impulsive when I heard about Grim Dawn and the donation system. :)

[yerkyerk]

I'm interested in the game and have checked the site for updates periodically these past months. I registered on the forums now to ask for two things:

1) That an email go out (forum registration email address) in advance of an alpha start, and (related)
2) That advance notice via email go out for any planned changes to available purchase options... including for that Legendary Platinum Collector's Edition Gold Director's Cut Uncut Edition Version I see on the store page.

I hesitate to spend on something that doesn't yet exist. I also don't want to miss an opportunity. So, I hope you understand why I'm asking for these advance notifications.

Thanks!
Hm, didn't see this before, so sorry for the late reply.

As for #1, yes an email is planned to go out for all release stages (alpha, beta, release), medierra confirmed this.

About #2, I don't know.

[Nospheratus]

Cheers to that, I put my money up to help support the development of GD not to sneak in to the Alpha

I know i want to support GD for both reasons! I'm really curious and anxious about it!


Just can't do it yet. The time will come though:)

[arcath]

Is there any way to link the preorder purchase to my forum account?

Or should I just write my key down and store in in a bank vault? :)

[eisprinzessin]

Unless you change your email address, you can help yourself via Rhis's Order Support post.

[Aesir Rising]

Hm, didn't see this before, so sorry for the late reply.

As for #1, yes an email is planned to go out for all release stages (alpha, beta, release), medierra confirmed this.

About #2, I don't know.

Thanks for the response. I'm hoping the #2 is put under consideration - my disposable income these days has been ahh... disposed. So I need to put off discretionary purchases as much as possible. If I buy the game now, it means my kids don't eat this week. I'm perfectly willing to make that sacrifice, but they get all whiney about being hungry, so if I can put that purchase off until a week or two before any changes to the Legendary AwesomeSauce Director's Cut Version availability takes place, it works best for me. Thanks.

[Rhis]

Thanks for the response. I'm hoping the #2 is put under consideration

We should be able to send out an email in advance if we decide to discontinue or change any of the options. There are no plans in place to ninja-change anything at the moment.

[dr_bowtie]

emails are good.... :)

I actually sent email to medierra and got a very quick response...

simply I just wanted to know if I could donate again once I already have...

beings I did and I wanted to do it again beings my wife would play but didnt want to create another account she wouldnt use and I would forget about...

sure I like the ability to try it before others can as I have never done that before...but the other half of the coin is....I like where this is going and I dont mind helping and to me there are too many FPS games like BF2, COD and R6V2 and such and I am just not a FPS gamer like most...

I like this style of game...so the choice to help was easy for me... :)

[ElitesamuraI26]

Any new info on the release date for this game?

[Chameleon]

Any new info on the release date for this game?

Not that I have seen. Medierra keeps ignoring the comments I've made about a release date.:cry:

I think it is late 2011 from what he's vaguely mentioned.

[alexei]

Not that I have seen. Medierra keeps ignoring the comments I've made about a release date.:cry:

I think it is late 2011 from what he's vaguely mentioned.

Ignoring you? feh..:rolleyes:

He already mentioned several times about this that he estimate it to arrive around mid 2011.

[ElitesamuraI26]

Ignoring you? feh..:rolleyes:

He already mentioned several times about this that he estimate it to arrive around mid 2011.

So where would you find this information because when I searched on google for the release date I only got the games website?

[Chameleon]

So where would you find this information because when I searched on google for the release date I only got the games website?

There is no release date yet.

What you can do is read all of Medierra's posts here on this board and try to glean a date from his vague answers. :cool:

[ASYLUM101]

Ignoring you? feh..:rolleyes:

He already mentioned several times about this that he estimate it to arrive around mid 2011.

The alpha is estimated to be early-mid 2011... dunno about the game itself..

[Chameleon]

The alpha is estimated to be early-mid 2011... dunno about the game itself..

Yeah.

And when I asked what had happened to push it back(Medierra had previously said the game was initially expected to come out early 2011 but that was 6+ months ago) I've been ignored. :p

[ASYLUM101]

It's not really ignoring you if they can't estimate a release date. Blizzard and most other game developers usually don't give a release date, because you can't rush things like this, and by giving a date, they feel obligated to push for that date. If they can't make the date, everyone gets pissy. They're not ignoring you,they're being careful.

[medierra]

Yeah.

And when I asked what had happened to push it back(Medierra had previously said the game was initially expected to come out early 2011 but that was 6+ months ago) I've been ignored. :p

Why do people assume they're being ignored? I apologize but I just don't see every post that appears on this board, especially ones that appear in ancient threads that I've already responded to.

So it sounds like you've seen my estimated release dates and just want to know why it "got pushed back"? These dates are just guess-work. My answers are vague because I only have a vague idea of when we're going to release the alpha.

We're not a fully funded company and if Runic is indie, then we must be XXXTREME INDIE!!! A significant portion of our team is only able to devote nights and weekends to the project because we cannot afford to pay them a full salary and they need to maintain other game-industry day jobs to pay their bills. This makes any sort of precision scheduling impossible because we cannot rely on people being able to work a consistent amount of time each week. There have been periods where people have had to crunch at their day-jobs, which generally causes their work on GD to grind to a halt for a couple weeks and dramatically slows down the project. :cry:

Blizzard is a very well funded company with a huge full-time team, they've been working on D3 for a number of years and they've given out no information as of yet concerning a release date. I think it is quite reasonable in our position at Crate if we have to be a little vague with our release information. We're really making an effort to be as open with the community as possible but until we have a firm idea of when we'll be releasing, we can't give you a firm answer. This definitely isn't a project we want to rush out the door and I think guessing at a firm date and then slipping it has the potential to cause backlash.

[Shinrou]

Giving a release date only disappoint the fans in the long run if it gets postponed continously. And I can imagine it's more stressful to work under the circumstances that you are racing with a clock.

I'm personally happy as long as we get some updates along the way. Just don't rush it, or it's gonna sting back hard that way.

[Chameleon]

Why do people assume they're being ignored? I apologize but I just don't see every post that appears on this board, especially ones that appear in ancient threads that I've already responded to.

So it sounds like you've seen my estimated release dates and just want to know why it "got pushed back"? These dates are just guess-work. My answers are vague because I only have a vague idea of when we're going to release the alpha.

We're not a fully funded company and if Runic is indie, then we must be XXXTREME INDIE!!! A significant portion of our team is only able to devote nights and weekends to the project because we cannot afford to pay them a full salary and they need to maintain other game-industry day jobs to pay their bills. This makes any sort of precision scheduling impossible because we cannot rely on people being able to work a consistent amount of time each week. There have been periods where people have had to crunch at their day-jobs, which generally causes their work on GD to grind to a halt for a couple weeks and dramatically slows down the project. :cry:

Blizzard is a very well funded company with a huge full-time team, they've been working on D3 for a number of years and they've given out no information as of yet concerning a release date. I think it is quite reasonable in our position at Crate if we have to be a little vague with our release information. We're really making an effort to be as open with the community as possible but until we have a firm idea of when we'll be releasing, we can't give you a firm answer. This definitely isn't a project we want to rush out the door and I think guessing at a firm date and then slipping it has the potential to cause backlash.

I wasnt being pushy or anything and I'm not put out at all. :D

I'm sure you read my posts as you answered other people who posted either right before or right after my posts. lol

I was just wondering why you seemed to have a fairly good grasp of when the game was going to be out 6 months ago but now things seem to be slipping and the game looks like it will be out much later than you had initially anticipated. Thanks for answering.:D

So is your best guess still 2011...or later? :)

[medierra]

I wouldn't even say I have a guess - basically, we're setting certain goals for ourselves, which I am happy to share, but we won't really know whether those goals are realistic until we get closer to them and are able to look at our progress over X number of prior months, look at the work remaining, and guesstimate whether our rate of progress will allow us to hit our goal.

Several months ago we felt like we would really like to release the alpha in early 2011 and it seemed like it might be possible. However, we've gotten a much better handle on the project since then and it is clear that an early 2011 alpha release is a long-shot. Part of the problem is that the scope of the project has grown. There has been a little bit of feature creep but the vast majority of the scope increase has been the result of calculated decisions. We've listened to what people want, we've seen that the bar is getting higher for even small-scope ARPGs, and we've had ideas along the way that we feel are definitely worth doing even if they push out release a bit.

Additionally, our original thinking was to release a really early, and naturally very rough, version of the game to Legendary fans - really at a pre-alpha state (since technically all the content is supposed to be completed by alpha) just so people could start playing with it and see the game develop. However, we've grown a little apprehensive about doing that. I think expectations have gotten quite high for the game and we don't want people to have a negative reaction after playing the game in such an early rough state. I went into a lot of detail as to why this was probably a bad idea in another post responding to someone who asked that we do that.

Honestly, we started this as kind of an ultra-indie effort to make something fun for TQ fans that played similarly in all the good ways but also was new and unique. It feels like the expectation and the stakes have grown a lot since we started (probably our fault for continually improving the screenshots). So, we're trying to meet those expectations and, while I think we're doing a good job of it, it is adding time and challenge to the project.

[Kardiophylax]

I would say your screenshots and new feature announcements such as destructible environments and better quest/dialog tools have certainly raised the bar a bit. The best things about TQ are/were always the mastery combinations and the loot in my opinion though, and I think as long as you have those things right the majority of us will be pleased.

I think since most of us did not get a chance to give our opinions before TQ, and hadn't experienced what you guys were capable of yet, that a lot of us have gotten really excited about being more involved with GD's development.

I do agree that allowing players to "play" an early alpha can be an issue, especially if people don't realize what they are getting into. The best advice I can give, based on what I've read and experienced in the Elemental beta, is that you define very rigidly what you want people to report about and what you don't want feedback about. If it's just bugs, make sure people know to only report bugs. With Elemental people wanted to continue to suggest game altering changes with the release only a few months away. Obviously, these expectations were a bit unreasonable that late in the game.

[Sile]

Have to agree with Kardio there. If/when an alpha is released, whether earlier than you originally thought or afterwards, I think it's important to have really specific guidelines for feedback, and obviously an alpha/beta tester forum and have it moderated very closely. Whether you have certain 1 week blocks of testing one thing, or it's a free-for-all, not sure how you'd want it done, but definitely have guidelines for what you want.

I personally don't think you should feel too anxious about an early pre-alpha release for Legendary fans. I'm biased, but let's face it, I didn't pay full price to play an alpha and complain how bad something might be.. who'd pay money to do that? Cashed up kiddies perhaps? Haven't seen any here yet.
I for one want to help test for whatever it is you want tested and I'm sure a lot of people here feel the same.

But we'll stick by your decision on that front anyway.

[medierra]

Well, there is always the possibility of an illegal copy of the alpha getting out and people not having a good context for what they are playing and trashing it.

[Sile]

Well, there is always the possibility of an illegal copy of the alpha getting out and people not having a good context for what they are playing and trashing it.

Yeah totally possible. Shame there's people out there who don't understand the concept of 'testing'.

[Kardiophylax]

I'd make sure you stamp the words ALPHA PRE PRE RELEASE BUILD in as many places as possible then. It won't hurt anyway.

Releasing the game through a digital distribution channel that registers the game to your account, something like Steam or Impulse (which handles pre-releases), might help cut down on the alpha sharing issue. Of course, where there is a will, there will always be a way for them.

[Thander]

I've personally just got the Legendary as a birthday gift, and might I add, the best one this year. This is because I've never tried Alpha or even Beta testing. Therefore I'm looking really forward to trying this out and contributing with some constructive criticism in order to reach the best solution possible.

So I'm for a pre-alpha release, if that can help you in the making of the game.

[Aesir Rising]

Well, there is always the possibility of an illegal copy of the alpha getting out and people not having a good context for what they are playing and trashing it.

Impulse was mentioned in an prior response in the topic, and I'll go ahead and add through such a service you could keep critical game data server-side** throughout the pre-release development stages. That, coupled with logon requirements through Impulse or similar system should help mitigate pre-release versions getting publicized by unauthorized players.

There are alternative options of course, but I thought that their approach addressed their own concerns about unauthorized pre-release access, and it seems to address your concern quoted above, as well.

As for me, while I've not sprung for the Legendary Gold Soooper Special Edition (yet...), I'm still actively monitoring this topic for hints about any special offer cut-off dates for pre-release purchasers. Keep posting your updates, Crate peoples, so I don't lose out! :)

** I should add for those watching at home that the release version of Elemental doesn't have such restrictive access control measures. What I described was an implementation strictly for the pre-release stages.

[Tavillion]

Legendary edition purchased, name set for credits.

The alpha can't come quickly enough!

[Camerooni]

Releasing the game through a digital distribution channel that registers the game to your account, something like Steam or Impulse (which handles pre-releases), might help cut down on the alpha sharing issue. Of course, where there is a will, there will always be a way for them.

Have you guys considered Desura - This should be fairly possible.. (http://www.desura.com)

It's looking like a digital distribution service that gives more power to developer to control their store/product/release.. it's from the guys that are do ModDB and IndieDB - they're currently in beta (but I'm sure they'd be open to the possibility of something like this considering they host mod/indie project pages) and have individual group/app security settings so you could only invite people who have bought the legendary edition to the group and allow them access to the download.. !?

Registered just to mention this - been following this game for a bit, and thought now is as good of a time as any to follow the forums a little more closely and look at getting a ledgendary edition :D

[medierra]

Thanks for the heads up, we'll have to check it out.

[UrukHaiPT]

And Grim Dawn is bought, Legendary edition. Now the wait begins :D

[Seires]

Purchased the Legendary as well. Can't Wait!

[Flamusiptheranji]

... We're really making an effort to be as open with the community as possible ...


I think I speak for many when I say I really appreciate how open you have been. It's refreshing and I'm grateful you and the other Crate staffers take the time to check in and not only listen to our concerns, questions and what-not, but address them as well.

So, a great big THANK YOU! from me and I'm sure many other GD fans out there. Keep up the excellent work. ;)

[Flamusiptheranji]

.... I personally don't think you should feel too anxious about an early pre-alpha release for Legendary fans. I'm biased, but let's face it, I didn't pay full price to play an alpha and complain how bad something might be.. who'd pay money to do that? Cashed up kiddies perhaps? Haven't seen any here yet.
I for one want to help test for whatever it is you want tested and I'm sure a lot of people here feel the same.

But we'll stick by your decision on that front anyway.


Well, there is always the possibility of an illegal copy of the alpha getting out and people not having a good context for what they are playing and trashing it.

I concur with Sile, but can see your point Medierra. I suppose some sort of a legally binding NDA would be too much of a pain and too much of a problem to enforce. Kardiophylax suggestion about steam or another digital download service that handles pre-releases might be an option, but you would know best. It is your product, blood, sweat, & tears afterall.

So, I guess we'll just have to wait patiently until you all are ready. Gonna, be a hard wait, but worth every minute I'm sure. :p

[Macedon]

Purchased the Legendary as well

Love the idea of the game and theme.

Played Mythos in testing before it all went belly up and i LOVED the
pistols and guns in the game and that whole feel.

Missed it and been looking for something similar since :)

[BlackDragon]

purchased the legendary

played titan quest (and loved it) and nearly all available action-rpgs.

[Icefire]

Purchased the epic. Legendary a little out of my budget. But thats ok. Looking forward to the beta. Titan quest is one of my favorite arpg's. Still playing it regularly.

Just wondering if it is possible to upgrade to legendary at some point in the future?

[Involution]

After a long break I've gone back to TQ:IT and I put in 84 hours in the past couple of weeks raising a brand new stable of all nine masteries in parallel (yes, bad case of OCD!) -- TQ is just a crazy good game, and of course I've played every hack and slash under the sun. And then I browsed a forum and I saw mention of GD: I just had to purchase it on faith. You devs are the best, I wish you all the luck with the development!

[hondo1]

hey guys!
just purchased the epic edition and looking forward to the beta!
i like hack 'n slash rpg's since first diablo..very cool that the spirit is alive after the titan quest in this awesome rpg Grim Dawn!

cheers

[talonstart]

Just Bought Legendary, Cant wait. Im very excited..
Best games and my heart goes to all Action RPGs.

Thanks for this, Titan quest was amazing, I think this is gonna blow it out of the water. Full turn camara = <3

[xGryfter]

Hey guys, just saw the Alpha game play video and I am quite excited for this game. I can't tell you how happy I am to see some of you ex Iron Lore guys working. Titan's Quest is still one of my favorite games and so far is the only "Diablo Clone" to give me that same feeling I had when originally playing through Diablo. Hell, I've bought the game five freakin' times, two for myself and 3 as gifts for friends on Steam. It really was a sad day when Iron Lore closed it's doors.

Any way, enough with the ass kissing. While this is something I generally don't do, especially with PC games I'll be pre-purchasing/helping support you guys by buying a Legendary Key this week. What I'd like to know is, if it's not to early for this question, is there any plans to release Grim Dawn on Steam and if so is it possible these Keys will allow us to download the Steam version of the game if there will be one. I know it's a bit OCD of me but I generally only buy Steam games these days, I like keeping everything consolidated in one place and I don't have a lot of room for boxes and the like. I'll be buying the Key no matter the answer, I was just generally curious.

Thanks for the many hours of fun in the past and here is to many more in the coming years.

[medierra]

I think this FAQ (http://www.grimdawn.com/about_faq.php) should answer your question... sort of ;)

Sorry we can't give a more definite answer yet but that is our best guess at this point.

[xGryfter]

I think this FAQ (http://www.grimdawn.com/about_faq.php) should answer your question... sort of ;)

Sorry we can't give a more definite answer yet but that is our best guess at this point.

I guess looking at the FAQ first would have been the smart thing to do? Thanks for the info.

Just read the premise for the game as well, it really does sound amazing. I'm loving the potential direction you guys are taking this.

legendary key purchased!

[getoz]

At last! Thanks to my VISA credit card I could buy this wonderful game! I can't wait to play it!

[Hypercrazy]

Just ordered the epic edition! Although its not yet close to beta cant wait :)

[NakedPotato]

Worked perfectly with a VISA from Sweden (Europe) if anyone is wondering.

[ClayMeow]

I was just wondering if the alpha was available to play now if I were to purchase the legendary, or is that not ready for legendary key holders yet?

Thanks.

[nighteyes]

Hey ClayMeow
The alpha isn't out yet, but it is getting closer judging by the content we have been seeing, you can buy the alpha now if you want and get straight into the alpha when it is released. Plus the earlier that you buy a key the earlier extra content can be added.

[eisprinzessin]

Hi ClayMeow - also see So when is this game going to be done? (http://www.grimdawn.com/about_faq.php#q12)

[matthewfarmery]

well you can buy any key, buy if you have the funds, then go for the legendary one, you give Crate more money to fund this awesome game, they use the money towards the game, (most of the money goes to outsourcing) hiring artists and such what) and when the alpha is finally upon us, you can help test it

so there are many good reasons (and when the beta is available later, you can join that too)

but yeah, better to buy the key now and it will certainly help to make this game a little bit better

[Eawyne]

I really consider the idea of pre-ordering the game, in its Legend version of course :)

I had some questions though, whose answers may change a consideration into an actual buy :D

- what exactly will the activation method of the game be : does having a key mean that I will just need to provide it for the download, or will I have to go online after installation to activate the game - or worse, play it ? (which would be a nasty thing ^^' but I don't think it will be that harsh)

- are there plans for LAN support ? Recent news about D3 beeing online-only made it definitively clear to me that I just hate online-only games :p

[eisprinzessin]

All the information has been available at your fingertips ... :p
Buy Now! (http://www.grimdawn.com/contribute_buynow01.php)
Your game-key will be required to download and install Grim Dawn as well as join multiplayer matchmaking services.
Will Grim Dawn have multiplayer? (http://www.grimdawn.com/about_faq.php#q06)
Absolutely! You will be able to group up with family and friends to take on the world of Grim Dawn just as you could in Titan Quest.
Will Grim Dawn use DRM that TOTALLY screws me over?! (http://www.grimdawn.com/about_faq.php#q10)
[...] I don't know if people would consider this DRM or not but one thing we are planning to do is authenticate your game-key in order to join multiplayer match-making on services like Steam. If you have a legitimate retail copy of the game, you shouldn't even notice this. It will have no effect on LAN or single player.

[Eawyne]

I feel a bit stupid now, because I just missed the FAQ, altough hovering alongside many times :o Thanks ^^

But It's the issue of the installation that concerns me (I couldn't figure it out in the various answers) : I plan to install GD on a PC without internet, so my main question is : will I be able to install the game ; will I have to put the key like in the old days, where it was just needed, or will I still need to authenticate that key online ?

[medierra]

Well, you will need to go online to download the game of course but you should be able to transfer it to another PC without internet if you choose.

My expectation is that you will only need to enter the game-key upon installing the game, not go online to authenticate it. As explained in the FAQ, we can't confirm anything for certain yet and plans may change but this my expectation at this time.

[shawnmck]

Well, you will need to go online to download the game of course but you should be able to transfer it to another PC without internet if you choose.

My expectation is that you will only need to enter the game-key upon installing the game, not go online to authenticate it. As explained in the FAQ, we can't confirm anything for certain yet and plans may change but this my expectation at this time.

Any word or thoughts yet about eventually having a disc based version ?
I really, really, REALLY want one.
But that's just because I am anal about that....and I want to be able to physically touch & caress it at night before I go to bed.
:p

[Eawyne]

Well, you will need to go online to download the game of course but you should be able to transfer it to another PC without internet if you choose.

My expectation is that you will only need to enter the game-key upon installing the game, not go online to authenticate it. As explained in the FAQ, we can't confirm anything for certain yet and plans may change but this my expectation at this time.

Well, let's do it then :p you can count a future gamer in your ranks - legendary, of course ^^

[james1976]

Just purchased my Legendary today :D Wasn't sure I was gonna be able to do it until next month. So I'm happy.

[SonOfGod87]

Could any Crate person write about any limits in alpha version? I'd like to know about max lvl, locations, character classes ect. in alpha. Or maybe alpha will be playable without any limits?

[matthewfarmery]

I don't think this info is really needed at the moment, as the alpha is still many months away and still anything can change during that time, also alpha might be a survial mode, fighting endless ways of monsters

but even that might change, so I wouldn't really worry about what alpha might or might not have yet, as there is still a 6 / 8 month min wait until it appears, then Im sure full details will be available once it done, Im sure there will be more forums added too

but at this point, its anyone's guess, and things may change, so I honestly don;t think you will get a better answer from the devs at this time, we have to wait and see, is the best answer I can give you

[SonOfGod87]

thx for quick replay :) but also It's sad for me to wait such long time for Grim Dawn. I will buy game, but I'll choose from legendary and epic version

[Bobcat]

hi there, I'm thinking of preordering Grim Dawn..

however, I live outside US so bank account is unavailable, and for me, credit card is a no-go either..

I've started to browse the forum, reading and trying to catch up what happened in the past..

I see , paypal is no longer available..

How about other alternative payment options?

my prefered option would be via paysafecard.com , or similar ..

thank you in advance,

Bob

[eisprinzessin]

Hi Bobcat,

You are the second who recommends paysafecard (http://www.grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?p=36658&highlight=paysafecard). Right now we are limited to credit cards or transfers from US bank accounts. One option is a virtual credit card, as advised it that very same thread.

[Bissrok]

but even that might change, so I wouldn't really worry about what alpha might or might not have yet, as there is still a 6 / 8 month min wait until it appears, then Im sure full details will be available once it done, Im sure there will be more forums added too

It's a shame that alpha's still so far off, but I couldn't help picking up a Legendary key as soon as I heard about the game. The amount of time I've spent in Titan Quest is truly appalling, and I can't wait to do it all over again. Couldn't risk letting you guys run around an alpha build without me.

[redscores]

I would recommend the paysafe card too, I really love how this game looks and what it promises... I would buy asap even though I have not much money, but I am from germany and credit cards are really not popular here... so yeah... paysafecard would enable me to buy the game in a blink...

[Praetorian]

I wanted to know where can i buy a key?

Ps: The game look's so great, cant wait till its finished.:D

[Capn Tucker]

I wanted to know where can i buy a key?

Ps: The game look's so great, cant wait till its finished.:D

Buy it now isn't back up yet; they just finished Kickstarter. Give it a few days..

[Praetorian]

Buy it now isn't back up yet; they just finished Kickstarter. Give it a few days..

Okey thanks for the info.

[Jeroen]

Been reading on some forums Diablo 3 has again a lot of inlog problems. but at least the error#37 has gone, now its error#33 :p
dont have Diablo 3 myself, I will probably buy Torchlight 2 so that I have something to play with until Grim Dawn.
But what I want to say is : if you get the buy now section back on line again, hopefully there will be Diablo 3 gamers who will happely pay the $18 (or what the amount is for just the finished game) for a game that is completely DRM free. no server problems whatsoever - must seem like heaven for the Diablo fans.
But when Blizzard finally has their act together - well there might be less dissapointend Diablo fans.

[Shoganai]

egad... this thread being bumped raised false hopes for me.

It needs to be unstickied, locked, or better yet, fully deleted :P

[lyons]

Been reading on some forums Diablo 3 has again a lot of inlog problems. but at least the error#37 has gone, now its error#33 :p ...

Error 37 has returned for us in europe :undecided:

[eisprinzessin]

egad... this thread being bumped raised false hopes for me.

It needs to be unstickied, locked, or better yet, fully deleted :P
Closed it ... and will clean it up in soon ;) For everyone who wonders - in 2010 Buy Now was down for some days. This thread announced it being available again.