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Renevent
09-09-2011, 06:08 PM
I love this article!

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/09/gaming-everything-is-amazing-and-no-one-is-happy.ars?comments=1#comments-bar

Now, while I do believe there is legitimate complaints to be had with gaming it's the manner in which people complain that's over blown. We truly live in a pretty amazing time in gaming and yet there are so many jaded gamers who feel the need to thrash games and go way overboard in their criticisms. This all kind of ties in to my other rant on the same subject, but I think it's pretty nice to see an article in the gaming press about it.

A fine example would be that guy medierra pointed out with his comments about the grass in Grim Dawn. Forget the fact Grim Dawn will have totally new setting, new classes, engine improvements, weather system, new...well just about everything. No, today snap judgements and hyperbole rule the day.

Watch the Luis C.K. video in the article as well...I love that bit. I think he's right on the money too...we live in amazing times and it's wasted on this generation. Of course that's just me being an old man and I am sure every generation looks down on the new one :p



In gaming, everything is amazing, but no one is happy
By Ben Kuchera | Published 4 days ago

On this long Labor Day weekend in the US, we're bringing you a set of opinion pieces from various Ars writers—and we'd love to have you join the conversation in the comments.

We live in what may be the golden age of video games. There has never been a greater selection of games to play, there have never been more ways to buy the games we play, and prices for the games we play have declined. Classic and rare games are finding a second home, and a second chance, on digital distribution services on both the PC and consoles. Everything, on the whole, is getting better.

Of course, that means that no one is happy. With anything. Ever.

I once made a joke on Twitter that if you only paid attention to the comments on gaming news stories, you would think every pre-order has been cancelled, every game is a rip-off, and every major publisher is being boycotted by everyone. When a publisher makes a little bit of money, that's it for them; it's selfish to continue to turn a profit. If a company does anything to try to stem the flow of piracy, they are screamed at by people who will allow no form of DRM, not even Steam, to touch their systems. And legions of people seem to scour news stories for any excuse to justify their piracy.

(Don't worry, I'm sure everyone who comments on this story is an exception to the rule. I'm talking about everyone else, not you. You are one of the good ones.)

Deus Ex: Human Revolution is a wonderful game and will be talked about for years. But right now, we must attack the game's boss battles, even though they make up less than a percent of a percent of the time we spend on the game. We need to blast the game because we have found a single character who speaks in a way that some are perceiving as racist. We must wring our hands over the game's tiny flaws and ask endlessly of ourselves what it all means.

Every game is too short, although we never finish the games we play. Every game is too expensive, although we demand ever-increasing levels of interaction, graphical fidelity, and length. The same people who claim every game was 80 hours and a masterpiece 10 years ago are 10 years away from saying that today was the golden time, once they have the distance needed to scrub the bad games from memory. We used to claim we wanted more people to game, but now we scoff at those who play "casual" games as if planting a garden strategically is somehow beneath those of us who pretend to be an elf... strategically. We are sitting around a Dungeons and Dragons table and complaining about people who read Twilight.

The press—and I'm including myself—is just as guilty of this as anyone. It's easy to find reasons to dislike a game, and creating outrage is an easy path to page views. Explaining why you love a game and the emotions it stirs in you often feels impossible. Besides, we're all corrupt. When we don't like a game, we are biased. When we like a game, we have been bought, and we are writing commercials. If we are lukewarm on a game, we are clearly the wrong person to be writing about it. Actual criticism is unacceptable; the audience will only accept verdicts of "sucks" or "perfect." Enjoy a game while still pointing out its flaws? People will get angry. Find flaws in a beloved game? They will call for your head.

The industry only creates sequels, everyone says, even as they refuse to buy games based on new worlds and characters. We are sick of these endless sequels, everyone repeats, while buying them by the millions.

We will not buy Battlefield 3 unless it comes out on Steam, even though Steam is an indefensible form of DRM that allows you to rent games and not buy them. The fact a company is forcing us to put our name into this box instead of that box is the worst thing that could be possibly happen, so of course we will boycott, and we will complain, and we will pirate. In two years, if we don't log in to our games, they may disappear.
Firstworld problems

Real problems exist, but we have gotten so much of what we wanted. We have built a grand tower of utterly optional gaming atop our hierarchy of needs, yet we are still distracted by the gnats in our teeth. Everything is amazing, but no one is happy.

shawnmck
09-09-2011, 06:51 PM
I have no problems with people criticizing games for whatever reason, just so long as they can back up their OPINIONS with legitimate reasons. And it should be taken with a grain of salt by anyone listening or reading because these are just opinions.
Complaining about the bosses in Deus Ex: HR is a legitimate criticism.

I think what rubs people the wrong way and is just offensive as can be are the criticisms without legitimate reasons, or very petty ones....such as complaining that a game "sucks" because you didn't like the music, or because it wasn't anything like the previous game or is too much like the previous one....or how the grass in Grim Dawn looks too much like the grass in Titan Quest.
That is just petty nonsense and is flat out trolling.

But everyone's opinions are different, and everyone's tastes & preferences are different. If someone dislikes a game that I happen to like, then I have no problem with it if it can be backed up with some thought and isn't just some rant, because I respect the fact that different people will have a different opinion than that of my own.

But that's where we come in. If someone is just bashing a game out of spite, it is our responsibility to respond and argue our case in a reasonable way.
If we don't speak up (whether in favor of or against), then what is the point of free speech ?
I think where things go too far is when some people take things too seriously, or act as if their opinion is the only opinion that matters...or worse, that their opinions somehow equate to fact.
But that's why we debate such things. It's human nature, so what else you gonna do?

Renevent
09-09-2011, 06:57 PM
I don't believe the point is all our opinions are different, but rather the way people express their opinions now and how much hyperbole, animosity, and spite is expressed with these opinions.

The smallest flaw is blown up to epic stature and used to trash not only the game, but it's developers and anyone who actually likes that game.

shawnmck
09-09-2011, 07:05 PM
I did like what Louis CK did have to say though, and I think he has a good point.
There is just a lot of people who act entitled to everything, and complain about any little thing.

But the thing is, he (Louis CK) is doing pretty much the same thing, albeit with some very good humor.
Some people just love to piss & moan & whine. Maybe they were spoiled as a kid, I don't know..?
I think it's a sad state of affairs when irresponsible people who whine constantly are raising kids to do the exact same thing.
But can't that be said of just about every generation?

Lets face the facts....
We are getting old, and as a result the younger generation doesn't care about us, doesn't respect us (the older generation), never had to work for any of the things that the previous generations had to work for, and don't take anything we say or do serious.
If this were a perfect world, we'd be able to put these brats over our knees and give them a proper spanking, or two or three.

It all starts with parenting, and that is the solution. Sadly, we have irresponsible brats having babies left & right, and then expecting everyone else pay and help raise them. It is the sense of entitlement that these younger generations have that is clouding their judgement (and lack of good parenting).

We are DOOMED.

shawnmck
09-09-2011, 07:22 PM
I don't believe the point is all our opinions are different, but rather the way people express their opinions now and how much hyperbole, animosity, and spite is expressed with these opinions.

The smallest flaw is blown up to epic stature and used to trash not only the game, but it's developers and anyone who actually likes that game.

^ I won't deny that is a big part of it. Some people (mostly teens) love to over-exaggerate and fuel their comments with animosity, outrage, and act as if they are somehow victims. It is nothing more than throwing a little temper tantrum and screaming, "notice me, whaaa, notice me", *sniffles*.

That's why I say when someone does this, point it out to them. Don't just ignore them but call them on it.
"Oh, so you think the grass in Grim Dawn is bad do you?....well why don't you show us how it's done. After all, you are a program designer? Game Developer? Graphic Artist ?....No, then STFU you little spoiled pretentious brat"
Gotta put them in their place.

^ Or am I being too mean ?

Scryer
09-09-2011, 08:30 PM
I agree Renevent. People nowadays love to criticize the smallest of details in a game. Such that, as he said, it is generally less than a percent of the entire game. They should also stop making their criticisms seem so overblown, you know as if it'll ruin the very fabric of the game.

True criticism takes the good with the bad; if you're just focusing on the bad then you're being disingenuous. Most people like to use criticism to say what’s bad, but they should be saying what’s good also, as per the third definition in my Encarta Dictionary.

3. Assessment of a creative work: considered judgment of or discussion about the qualities of something, especially a creative work.

So, people should stop making things bigger than they appear and take the good with the bad in my opinion...