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Kurrus
08-30-2011, 03:08 PM
I'll admit it today, I spend too much time on the internet. Most of that time is spent talking to many people in different languages, which means a lot of interaction over IM (Instant Messaging) on programs like Steam or Live Messenger, and sites like Facebook.

Over time I've started noticing a few trends that do nothing but signal the imminent self-destruction of humanity, crushed under its own stupidity. These are the 8 IM trends that need to die, for the sake of sanity. It makes me cringe when people I interact with...

1.- Send a message and forget completely about it less than 10 minutes later

Example:

13:20 - DumbPerson: wanna play some Terraria later today?
13:26 - Kurrus: sure
13:26 - DumbPerson: sure? sure what?

This one isn't really that annoying most of the time. The only thing you really need to do is click once, hit CTRL + C, click again, CTRL + V, hit Enter. Problem solved. Usually.

The issue here is how this speaks of whoever does it. Sometimes everyone has one of these days where you keep forgetting your own name, but some people do this three times per day. If you can't remember what you just told someone 6 minutes ago, for any reason, maybe you shouldn't be engaging in conversations at all. Talking to someone, over the internet, mail, text messages or any other medium requires mutual compromise. There's another person at the receiving end, after all.

When people do this, I remember these people that reply to the telephone/building's intercom/fax once, and then take 2 minutes to answer a second time. What the shit are you doing there? Did you close the com and immediately jump out of your window?

This one does reach ball-busting levels of frustration when the offender actually gets angry at you for copypasting their earlier message. That's the exact reason I wish you could punch people over standard internet protocols.

2.- Ignore the other's status and/or nickname

Example:

11:02 - DumbPerson: hey, wanna play some Terraria later?
11:29 - Dumbperson: hey
12:35 - DumbPerson: you there?
13:04 - DumbPerson: heeeeey
13:05 - Kurrus (VERY busy with school work): WHAT COULD YOU POSSIBLY WANT AOFDHADSJAUDISJH

I'm not sure where this one comes from. Usually people change their status when they don't want to be annoyed, or when they want to let people know that, no matter how many poorly constructed misspelt messages they send, they won't magically teleport back to their computer and start chatting with them. The changed status then appears close to that person's nickname, usually with a different color, or at least a different message to "Online".

So then people open a conversation and start talking right away, expecting you to be there and start chatting as usual.

Some of you may point out that this kind of thing happens everywhere all the time. That IS true, but that doesn't really make my point any less valid - and, besides, the purpose of status effects is literally none but the one I described up there. Ignoring it is like using your car's brake fluids as toothpaste. Come to think of it, I kind of wish most people who did this also used brake fluid as toothpaste. And any other liquid they enjoy drinking.

3.- Completely ignore the existence of question marks

This doesn't really need an example.

Okay, so the whole territory of language is a minefield. Written communication is a tricky one, because there's no body language and no explicit way to change your tone - things like that are open to the reader's interpretation.

For the sake of speed, things like proper punctuation and capitalization are often skipped when writing a message. I can live with this. Some of these rules are sort of arbitrary anyway and don't change the meaning of your messages much.

But then people stop typing question marks. I can't stress how unbelievablely stupid this is. I can't think of any possible explanation (that doesn't involve severe brain hemorrhaging) besides some severe childhood trauma, or simply slacking off during every single class in school between grades 1 and 6 where the use and importance of question marks were explained, either directly or mentioning.

People, question marks are always necessary. In written communication, they're the one single thing letting others know what you just typed is a question. Sentence structure often doesn't work because that's also ignored to get the message sent quickly, and sometimes you can't tell with structure alone.

4.- Compulsively share content

Example:

16:44 - DumbPerson: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7movKfyTBII&ob=av3e
16:47 - DumbPerson: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DCVX_eBgM8&list=FLKWaUIutIOvXqwOrIkOFm-g&index=3&feature=plpp
16:48 - DumbPerson: http://www.google.es/imgres?q=cute+kitty&hl=es&biw=1280&bih=867&gbv=2&tbm=isch&tbnid=bIbJZi_ibRjmGM:&imgrefurl=http://www.guzer.com/pictures/cute_kitty2.php&docid=J-qyX0Bv0tsGAM&w=411&h=335&ei=hutcTpHyMszLswapyrGbDw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=185&vpy=88&dur=2303&hovh=203&hovw=249&tx=194&ty=109&page=1&tbnh=136&tbnw=178&start=0&ndsp=30&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0
16:48 - DumbPerson: rofl did you check the angry birds parody song

Often this isn't more than some good intentions mixed with the internet's ability to let us access all sorts of content in mere instants, so I don't really find it infuriating. However, it does get pretty annoying when you see these links you didn't ask for in the first place start piling up in the conversation window and the sender starts asking you about them. Sometimes, if you don't give signs of life or interest in opening the links, even explicitly saying you're not going to do it, the other person starts nagging you to do it anyway. It makes me wonder why they're wasting their time talking to me instead of becoming incredibly successful salesmen.

5.- Miss the point completely

Example:

17:22 - DumbPerson: what happened to your graphics card
17:22 - Kurrus: I can't replace it without getting a new PSU, but that won't happen for a while... the local stores are out of stock and I can't buy this kind of thing online
17:24 - DumbPerson: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139016

I'm not sure about all these people, but my early years on school had a lot of classes and lessons orbiting around reading comprehension alone. Thanks to the internet, I realise how beneficial they were. However, I do regret not learning how to use automatic firearms before.

6.- Say "I'm bored"

No examples really needed.

This is a bit of a paradoxical statement. If you're chatting with someone and they drop this dreadful sentence, it means the following:

1- You are not providing them enough entertainment
2- It's your fault, or else they wouldn't tell you explicitly that they're bored

(Note that I don't refer to these times when "I'm bored" is used as an excuse to suggest something, or as sort of an opening to another sentence. For instance, starting a conversation saying "I'm bored, let's go make my dog do funny stuff" isn't wrong at all)

The problem with this is not what's written, it's what isn't. It shows the other person has an inflated sense of self-entitlement, little sympathy, and complete disregard for others' situation, all disguised as an apparently harmless remark. This is an incredibly rude thing to say and, jokes aside, really shows people's true colours. Not as much, however, as...

7.- Disguise STOP signals

Example:

18:10 - Kurrus: haha, I am so going to steal your socks (<- INCREDIBLY OBVIOUS JOKE)
18:11 - DumbPerson: ok...

When people do this to me, I seriously consider removing them from my friend lists and severing all possible interaction between us. It's tricky to tell exactly when you're just misunderstanding their ellipses, but sometimes it's quite evident.

When people do this, they're telling you that they want you to stop talking, but don't really think you deserve an explanation or anything. Just a subtle hint is all they're willing to give you. If the above thing is rude, this is just hostile. Obviously, this is completely justified if someone's making stupid jokes about very sensitive issues such as the death of a close person, but this happens rarely enough.

When I mention this anywhere, people are always quick to cry out that I'm overreacting. I'm overreacting if someone is subvertly telling me to shut up for no acceptable reason and I stop talking to them (forever), which is what they wanted in the first place? The thing is, if you want someone to shut up and stop making silly jokes about socks, you tell them that you want them to shut up and stop making silly jokes about socks. You don't frigging disguise it and then get upset because the other person didn't catch your unnecessary obscure hint.

8.- Abuse meaningless emoticons

Example:

19:47 - Kurrus: I hate it when people start using fireworks outside
19:48 - DumbPerson: :|

Finally, in a more lighthearted tone, is this. It's little more than an annoyance, but what the heck is that face even supposed to represent? A blank stare, which is pretty much the state of our faces 98% of the time anyway? A reference to Lady Gaga's poker face? Ellipses are sometimes used. Same thing.

I see this as people trying to make some sort of graphic novel out of a conversation. It's also entirely possible that I'm completely unaware of all the meanings these emoticons have (:F is another example) and these people are unwilling to explain. Either way, it just clutters up conversations.

And this, people, is why I fear the day I may get a job at technical support.

eisprinzessin
08-30-2011, 09:51 PM
I find #4 and #6 are close to each other. They are just two sides of the same coin. Your chat partner does not realise that the internet does not satisfy him. That's nothing you can help him with. Even if he means to blame you - it's just his ignorance of his own needs ... lack of self-consciousness.

yerkyerk
08-30-2011, 11:28 PM
Very well written, it got me some good laughs. I quit obsessive IM'ing years ago, might have been due to one of these reasons, I really don't remember.

Gumshoe
08-31-2011, 06:49 AM
#9. Lazy grammar/spelling.

And I mean the really bad, not just because English is a second language stuff.

Someone writing the correct spelling of a word in a post, only to have the person replying spell the same word completely wrong:


16:00 - Me: I'm going to drive around the Nordschliefe later
16:02 - DumbPerson: yeah, the nordshliff rocks!


Although I hate the other basic grammar misuses (their/they're/there, it's, its, etc), I don't go on about them because a lot of people just don't know, or are quite young, or aren't fluent in English. Still worries me with how prevalent it is, it's not that hard to learn.

BUT, worst of all is adding apostrophes to plurals, where did that come from?
I.e. "adding apostrophe's to plural's." That one actually irritates me quite a lot, especially as I see it quite regularly on Signs, TV ads, invitations etc, where you would think people would have things checked before they pay to have them printed incorrectly.

NZSpy
08-31-2011, 07:06 PM
I can definitely relate to some of those. Here's one that annoys the hell out of me which has cropped up over the last through years. People who use the acronym IMO/IMHO. If you're typing an opinion about something in an IM or in a forum message, OF COURSE IT'S YOUR OPINION! The overuse of this useless redundant acronym is the most annoying thing I have ever seen.

Gumshoe
08-31-2011, 09:34 PM
^ Unfortunately (forum wise, not so much IM), using IMO/IMHO has been necessary quite often, as in many cases if it's not used people take the statements as fact instead of opinion. While it shouldn't really be necessary, adding IMO just clarifies you're not stating fact and avoids some arguments.

icedmetal57
09-01-2011, 02:01 AM
This is why people should just write out all the words they're trying to say instead of just using acronyms for everything. The purpose of the written language was to be able to comprehend what others were saying, and it's especially important for the internet where most communication is written. I don't want to have to learn every single acronym people like to come up with for no reason what-so-ever.

As for those 8 listed, #1 really stands out as stupid, you've got the message written out in front of you; the whole chat history as well. How could you have forgotten what was being discussed 5 minutes ago especially since its written down in front of your face?

I agree, these instant messaging trends need to just die.

yerkyerk
09-01-2011, 02:16 AM
Imho/imo has become a necessity on the web. It's often necessary to differentiate between someone's personal viewpoint and a subjective viewpoint, the acronym imho/imo does that. In spoken language, it's less often used, but I guess that's due to the nature of forums, where people throw around their opinions a lot more than in real life.

Acronyms just save time and tons of it. It takes very little effort to learn them and it's a huge convenience. Imho.

DragonWolf
09-01-2011, 02:34 AM
I guess that's due to the nature of forums, where people throw around their opinions a lot more than in real life.

Safer too. You're not going to get the absolute crap kicked out of you by others simply because you dissagree. All they can do is type bad language and threats.

That aside #2 is one of my pet hates. I'm AFK for a reason and no matter how much you nudge or prod I will not reply until I return.

NZSpy
09-01-2011, 12:21 PM
Imho/imo has become a necessity on the web. It's often necessary to differentiate between someone's personal viewpoint and a subjective viewpoint, the acronym imho/imo does that. In spoken language, it's less often used, but I guess that's due to the nature of forums, where people throw around their opinions a lot more than in real life.

Acronyms just save time and tons of it. It takes very little effort to learn them and it's a huge convenience. Imho.

I completely disagree with this sentiment. I can count on one hand where anybody has ever commented on something that was pure fact in an IM, Unless it was massive worldwide news that most everybody knew of. 99% of things that get discussed when debates/differences of opinion occur are in fact exactly that, opinion.

IMO needs to die a horrible death. :)

yerkyerk
09-01-2011, 01:25 PM
I can count on one hand where anybody has ever commented on something that was pure fact in an IM)
You also mentioned forum posting. I think there are some major differences between Instant Messaging and forum posting, making imho/imo a useful feature for forums, not so much for IM.

NZSpy
09-01-2011, 01:38 PM
I still think it's redundant in forums. Reading the context of my most forums most things are opinion. When they aren't opinion it's blatantly obvious, there is almost always a point of reference to go on, or the context of the conversation. Besides if you read the sentence below:


"Well, I think that if they changed X stat this way it would work better"

"Well, IMHO, I think that if they changed X stat this way it would work better"

There is no difference between the above statements, IMHO is redundant and annoying, the first sentence is obviously a statement of opinion. You could also remove the 'I think' and the statement in it's context still implies opinion.

See my point now? In every circumstance I have seen it as in the above example.

I'm done ranting now :-P

yerkyerk
09-01-2011, 03:07 PM
"Imho/imo" and "I think" are redundant, yes. Tautologies are another kind of nuisance though.

Gumshoe
09-01-2011, 11:54 PM
I still think it's redundant in forums. Reading the context of my most forums most things are opinion. When they aren't opinion it's blatantly obvious, there is almost always a point of reference to go on, or the context of the conversation. Besides if you read the sentence below:


"Well, I think that if they changed X stat this way it would work better"

"Well, IMHO, I think that if they changed X stat this way it would work better"

There is no difference between the above statements, IMHO is redundant and annoying, the first sentence is obviously a statement of opinion. You could also remove the 'I think' and the statement in it's context still implies opinion.

See my point now? In every circumstance I have seen it as in the above example.

I'm done ranting now :-P

Ah but your above post says 'I think' in both cases, adding opinion.

What about this:

'They're not going to include that at release, it'll be DLC.'

Sound like fact or opinion?

Whereas 'IMO they're not going to include that at release, it'll be DLC.'

That's why it's necessary, although saying 'I think' or 'I believe' instead would be preferrable. The IMO/IMHO highlights immediately and obviously that the statement is opinion.

NZSpy
09-02-2011, 03:14 PM
Ah but your above post says 'I think' in both cases, adding opinion.

What about this:

'They're not going to include that at release, it'll be DLC.'

Sound like fact or opinion?

Whereas 'IMO they're not going to include that at release, it'll be DLC.'

That's why it's necessary, although saying 'I think' or 'I believe' instead would be preferrable. The IMO/IMHO highlights immediately and obviously that the statement is opinion.

Again, I will state that the acronym is almost never used in such a statement as in most cases that type of statement is easily validated, or both parties are usually knowledgeable about said situation to know the statement is fact or not.

The only time I have ever seen it used is when it is completely redundant.

I stand by my original post.

ekopalm
09-03-2011, 01:54 PM
I don't chat with people online unless it's going to lead to something very very very specific. The rest of the time I don't text as well...I hate phones. I like forums b/c I can leave for 6 months and come back and no one cares as long as it wasn't b/c of anything serious. But your points are fairly valid and pretty funny at that.

Overlord
09-03-2011, 03:41 PM
I rarely go on IM, so it doesn't bother me that much.

As for IMHO/IMO, that's a different story. When I was in school, all my English teachers simply bashed into our heads that you should always say "in my opinion" to avoid confusion with stupid people.

So after years of experience with people over the internet, I only use that phrase when I'm 100% sure that I'm talking to a moron.

AleDog
09-03-2011, 06:14 PM
"u mad?" needs to die

ASYLUM101
09-03-2011, 06:36 PM
"u mad?" needs to die

WHO ARE YOU?!

:D

I agree though, umad is ridiculous.

icedmetal57
09-03-2011, 07:43 PM
I rarely go on IM, so it doesn't bother me that much.

As for IMHO/IMO, that's a different story. When I was in school, all my English teachers simply bashed into our heads that you should always say "in my opinion" to avoid confusion with stupid people.

So after years of experience with people over the internet, I only use that phrase when I'm 100% sure that I'm talking to a moron.

Well wouldn't that only contribute to people's stupidity? Rather than teaching how to infer these things, let's just blatantly say "I know you're stupid so I'll make sure to let you know that this was just my opinion." After all, you have to infer that they are morons by saying, "in my opinion".

AleDog
09-03-2011, 08:08 PM
WHO ARE YOU?!

Who are YOU? :cool:

on topic: Basically any internet meme that is meant to troll someone needs to die.

Internettuffguy: U mad?
Me: U meme?

nighteyes
09-04-2011, 02:12 AM
one way to get past the imo is use opinion words like 'I think', 'I believe', 'I [etc]', although this could lead to people getting sick of seeing that every 3 posts, instead of imo.