Grim Dawn bashing on Battle.net

[Mindray]

Diablo fans are not too fond of this game ;)

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=22748798950&sid=3000


Regards,
S

[Renevent]

None of those dimwits even knew what they were looking at, what the history is behind the game, or realized the game was in early development.

I guess that's why you have to be real careful about releasing media too early...even if it's a boon to your fans...the drooling numbnuts out there who don't have a clue will tear it apart.

[VeggieBoy]

I'm going to stay out of this as I am a fan of both. It however did irk me that they said that it most likely being developed the day after D3 :rolleyes:

[ASYLUM101]

Blizzard fans... pfft. People are just stupid and closeminded. :/ I like how they go on about the details that they don't even know about and make false assumptions. Typical.

[Renevent]

Hey now...I am a Blizzard fan too lol. I guess I'm just not one of the rabid ones...

[VeggieBoy]

Fanboys *sigh*

[jiaco]

Since when did gaming become a religion? That was scary reading. Thanks for the link.

[ASYLUM101]

Since when did gaming become a religion? That was scary reading. Thanks for the link.

I know right? I was thinking the same thing haha

[The Old Farmer]

Reading the battle.net its like eavesdropping on little children in a school yard.

[VeggieBoy]

Have you ever played Warcraft 3? I plaid it off and on up until a couple years ago until I was spammed continuously via PMs for saying DOTA was retarded.

It is indeed like a schoolyard :confused:

[bravo8]

They've obviously never played Titan Quest or bothered to read up on Crate and their upcoming game.

[medierra]

Heh, doesn't seem that bad. Some people like it, some don't. Hardly surprising from a battle.net thread that many people would be critial. We're making a small-scale $20 indie title for digital distribution though, not a Diablo-killer. These are very early screens and many of them are taken during the night cycle. Criticism and feedback are welcome.

[VeggieBoy]

At this point its kind of hard to criticize the game, right?

I see Indie (be it movies, music, games, etc.) as Mom and Pop Stores. They're small, yet vital.

[Iconik]

I've found most fans of Blizzard games are awful, immature whiners. Sad as I'm a fan of D,D2 and WoW.

[The Old Farmer]

@ veggieboy
I tend to only play with people I know or have met who display a mature out look to their gaming. But then I am an old timer an kinda set in my ways.

[zyklop]

Fanboys in general are a plague. They are trolls, verbally bashing on all people, who have different opinions. Fanboys and religious fundamentalists are the same class: no arguments, no logical reasons, zero tollerance - but sure to own all wisdom of the whole universe...

The actual debatte about the new Apple iPad in many forums all over the web is a good example of fanboyism and "troll-culture" at it´s best.

[opaser]

Kinda strange when D3 Trailers came out alot people complained D3 is too colorfull/not dark enough and now reading there "like uwww looks all like Mud"
(always trough that's what Diablo2 was about muddy/dark(what i loved))

[ASYLUM101]

"like uwww looks all like Mud"
(always trough that's what Diablo2 was about muddy/dark(what i loved))

Exactly, lmao. They're so eager to please themselves as blizzard fan-zombies they'd much rather put down something they know nothing about and contradict themselves. When the first D3 shots came out, everyone was like, OMG D3!!! yayyy! then the realization of how COLORFUL it was hit them, and they were like... fuck blizzard, d3 is garbage without the grit and blood. Funny how people can be so moronic.

[yerkyerk]

Reading the battle.net its like eavesdropping on little children in a school yard.
Quite true. Meh, mainstream forums often require a flame retardant suit, Blizzard is no different.

Although it's not all negative. And some advertizing on the Blizzard site might not hurt - those who are truly interested will follow the game's progress, people who are just flaming - well, wouldn't want them on here anyway.

[shawnmck]

Diablo fanboys (the rabid ones) are very insecure. I remember when TQ first came out, and I heard/read a lot of complaints about it being "a Diablo clone"....as if that is a bad thing.
They will knock anything down that gives Diablo 2 or 3 competition.
:mad:

They are just insecure.

[Panthro]

Given I struggle at times to deal with some of the rather... misinformed and ignorant people at the escapist (which seems to be regarded as having a good forum), I tend to chose the forums and blogs that I visit rather carefully. I'm not sure what it is about the internet, but people often feel inclined to write anything, just to make their mark on a topic.

Sometimes it makes me sad about the general state of humanity. Then I visit places like GOG, Abandonia and here, and feel much better.

[gdansk]

I look forward to GD, Diablo 3, as well as the Torchlight MMO and I still play WoW. People need to judge games on merits, not just some opinions before playing.

[shawnmck]

I look forward to GD, Diablo 3, as well as the Torchlight MMO and I still play WoW. People need to judge games on merits, not just some opinions before playing.

Amen to that.
I'll play any game that is good (& even some that are just "meh"). Of course the real good ones are going to get more play time, & I will skip the bad ones until they come down in price.
Why anyone would limit their choices & enjoyment is a mystery to me..?

Although with my current financial situation I can't buy/play as many games as I used to, or would like. I'm kinda burned out getting mediocre games.
But Grim Dawn & Diablo 3 will definitely be getting my money. Maybe even Starcraft 2 as well.

[GermanZombie]

Let the fanboys be fanboys. I played the Diablo's and they were good, but I never really got to into them like I did into Titan Quest because I personally never got into the world or story. I am really glad they were popular because I really like TQ and Torchlight, and withouth them they probably would never have been made.

And any publicity is good publicity.

[Malpheas]

Reading the battle.net its like eavesdropping on little children in a school yard.

hilarious; I like.

[VeggieBoy]

Not to put TQ down, but I found that Diablo 2 is one of the greatest games I've ever played. That doesn't mean TQ wasn't a good game, it just means I didn't like it as much. I'm glad I have the ability to enjoy multiple games.

[TheRani]

I liked TQ way more than Diablo, because I prefer playing a female character, and in Diablo, if you wanted to play a female character, you got to be the Rogue. And that was it. So I beat the game with the rogue, and that was that. Then I got Diablo II.. and there were the sorceress, the amazon, and later the assassin in the expansion. So there were 3 this time, but there are only so many different ways you can play a viable sorceress or amazon or assassin, so I eventually got bored. Then I got TQ, and I could play a female character who could become any class, and I loved it. I have never once re-installed my Diablo games since I got TQ.

I'm willing to give D3 a shot because it's going to be possible for the first time in a Diablo game to actually play a female version of any class, and I figure Blizzard deserves to be rewarded for finally catching a clue and doing what they should have been doing all along.

[VeggieBoy]

I thought it was rather unique how D2 had gender specific classes. Besides a sorce[ress] could not be a male :)

[ASYLUM101]

I thought it was rather unique how D2 had gender specific classes. Besides a sorce[ress] could not be a male :)

Erm... a sorcerer can be male.... and it's not unique, it's really stupid and some consider it sexist.(don't really see how) It's just annoying imo.

[VeggieBoy]

Yes, a Sorcerer can be a male, but Sorceress cannot, which is what I said.

I thought it was awesome, but I guess I'm a minority in that scenario. It in no way was sexist?!

I loved the Sorceress and Assassin (and Necromancer). They were my faves =/

[ASYLUM101]

Erm, kinda is. For chicks like therani who like playing as their own sex, they're very limited to what is available to them. By limiting female players in such a way, it is kinda sexist. I mean, also notice how the female characters are portrayed by default. Leotards? Skimpy dress? :/ Granted, D2 isn't the first game to do this, but still.

A sorceress is the same thing as a sorcerer in title... what you're saying doesn't make any sense. It's like saying a dude can go ahead and be a waiter but a woman can't, she's just a waitress....SAME THING.

[VeggieBoy]

I was being sarcastic as far as the sorceress. A guy generally doesn't have the title of "ess".

Looking at it that way (the clothes thing) it does seem kind of sexist. But the female characters were much more badass.

[ASYLUM101]

I dunno man. The barbarian was just as bad ass as you can possibly get without being MR BAD ASS himself. :/ Paladin too. And neromancer was kick ass fun. Sorc... meh, I didn't quite enjoy it, assassin was squishy(and my build is messed up... without a respec it's pointless), and the 'zon... I don't like the shooty mechanics of D2.

oh, fyi: sarcasm doesn't transfer over the internet. just thought you should know, as it's a generally understood fact.

[VeggieBoy]

Yes, but its still fun employing sarcasm...even when the others don't comprehend it.

[Chameleon]

lol those posts made me laugh, so ignorant making assumptions about GD from very early SS of an incomplete and unrefined game.

[alexei]

Well this kind of discussion is gonna be everywhere soon.

True gamer will spill their honest mind without favoritism. Those fanboy will reject anything other than diablo 3.

When you got millions of fans, there are many kind of people you would expect to met. Not all of those blizzard fans are those fanboy-alike.

Importantly, lets not put ourselves as the same as them, while we saying they're schoolboys. Let's not say D3 is garbage or anything because you hate it cause it will make you the same as them. D3 is a great example nonetheless and I'm pretty sure that dev here agree with that.

Anyway, let keep the outside world news and discusssion informed here at GD forum.

Cheers!

[ASYLUM101]

Importantly, lets not put ourselves as the same as them, while we saying they're schoolboys. Let's not say D3 is garbage or anything because you hate it cause it will make you the same as them. D3 is a great example nonetheless and I'm pretty sure that dev here agree with that.



Word up, G.

[yerkyerk]

without a respec it's pointless
They have respec in the latest 1.13 patch :)
And if you're playing single player you could just use plugY

Anyway, D3 will be a great game, no doubt. And when it comes out I'm probably going to be absent for a while on forums :D
But there's just no prospect as to when it'll come out. 2011 probably, but might be later..

[Jophilli]

Let them be, I say, for they are only typing to see themselves submit their own typings, and then commence to read their own typings in their own little dark caves.

Kind of like how Larry King talks to hear his own voice.

[Zealuu]

I've found most fans of Blizzard games are awful, immature whiners. Sad as I'm a fan of D,D2 and WoW.

Say you have a certain (low) percentage of morons within any group of people - that percentage would translate into quite a formidable legion of morons when you consider the sheer size of the Blizzard fanbase. I don't think Blizzard attracts morons, they just become a lot more noticeable when there's a lot of them in the same place.

[Havers]

d3 is gonanbe so dum who wants too another copy of d2 thery need too make it free roaming..and with a classes of the monk an whitchdoc they shoudl amke it wat the fans want an not dum stufff an dont get me goignon the heath orb dum stuff

[zidders]

'Importantly, lets not put ourselves as the same as them, while we saying they're schoolboys. Let's not say D3 is garbage or anything because you hate it cause it will make you the same as them'

Well spoken. Considering just how few GOOD action/rpg games there are, having the oppurtunity to have not one but TWO really good ones to look forward to isn't necessarily a bad thing. Instead of spending time hating on this person or that game, we should instead be encouraging the folks who make those games, giving them our input in hopes that it will help them make a better game, and doing our best to find people who don't just judge a game based on a few early screenshots and telling them just why we think Grim Dawn is going to rock.

[myrmidon]

d3 is gonanbe so dum who wants too another copy of d2 thery need too make it free roaming..and with a classes of the monk an whitchdoc they shoudl amke it wat the fans want an not dum stufff an dont get me goignon the heath orb dum stuff


i am sorry. can you type that in English?

[gdansk]

d3 is gonanbe so dum who wants too another copy of d2 thery need too make it free roaming..and with a classes of the monk an whitchdoc they shoudl amke it wat the fans want an not dum stufff an dont get me goignon the heath orb dum stuff
I'll attempt a translation...

Diablo III is going to be so dumb, who wants another copy of Diablo 2? They need to make it more free roaming. I want both the monk and the witchdoctor. (This section was confusing) They should make Diablo III be what the fans want, and not some dumb stuff. Don't get me going with that dumb health orb!

You're welcome. Anyways, I have to disagree -- Diablo III looks very promising. Let Blizzard make what they want, and if it sucks then do not buy it. That will tell them (and Bobby Kotik over at Activision).

[medierra]

There is certainly no need to talk down about D3. I am sure it is going to be incredible and I'm very much looking forward to playing it myself.

I don't even really see us as competitors. We're really in different leagues and I think there is plenty of room for both games to be successful. D3 is a huge, high-budget, meta-title that will be instantly purchased by millions of fans. We're a smaller-scope indie title that is catering to a loyal niche audience and our budget is low enough that we don't need to sell millions to be successful. I like to think of Grim Dawn as a micro-brew of the arpg genre.

I think some of the criticism about the screenshots is valid though and I think we can make some improvements based on that. These are very early in development and there is plenty of time to polish the visual look of the game. Also, for those commenting on lack of color and lighting, partially it is because we haven't completed all of the art assets for the environments we've shown but partially it is because we come from a background of making bright, colorful environments, so we wanted our first screenshots to show that we could also do dark and gritty.

[yerkyerk]

Myeah, gotta watch out with the release date though, pretty sure it won't be succesful anywhere near 3 months of D3's release date..

[ExNomenDei]

...

I agree with most of what you said, but let's be honest - these two games will compete in one way or another. Just about 80% of the people who played Ttian Quest for longer than an hour - and I've no doubt there's quite a few people out there who have - will be interested in Diablo 3. And just about all of the people interested in GD will likely be looking at the Big King as well.

Perhaps it would be interesting to find a way to make this game feel different from Diablo 3. I'm not saying that you should actively seek out all opportunities to change your concepts, but it would be nice to see something to set this game apart from Diablo 3 and its older brethern. LAN-mode, some sort of purpose to add to the game's play, it would all be very nice to see happening with this project.

- About the look of the game: I rather think it'll be hard to see on the utterly atrocious displays that a lot of gamers have (e.g. TN-screens compared to professional IPS and MVA/PVA displays) and therefore you might need to make things a little brighter, while still keeping a grim and focused, tough look. I think it can be done: With the right kind of lighting and good shadowcasting to go hand in hand with that, you can probably achieve a greater contrast between back- and foreground. Keeping things easy to recognize even on 12-inch laptop screens (though I hope not many people game on those) would perhaps be wise. Looking at Titan Quest, the parts in act four where you have to go into a 'dark section' later in the game, things get tough to see. I even turned off night-day cycles to make things easy to track using Defiler.

You, your enemies, and your companions need to stand out most of all in a game to keep clarity, in my opinion.

[Rhis]

Myeah, gotta watch out with the release date though, pretty sure it won't be succesful anywhere near 3 months of D3's release date..

What is anyone going to be doing any time within 3 months of Diablo 3 being released that is so detrimental to us? We're not even at the same price point (19.85 USD vs, what.. 49.99 USD?). I'd find it more likely that people would either pick up Grim Dawn just for the cheap ARPG action to pass the time, or maybe get bored of blizzards latest new shiny, and again, pick up Grim Dawn, just based on value alone.

Like Medierra said above, it's not really even a competition. They've probably spent in excess of 60 million dollars on D3 at this point. That's at least 100x what we'll spend on Grim Dawn.

[Faithful]

What is anyone going to be doing any time within 3 months of Diablo 3 being released that is so detrimental to us? We're not even at the same price point (19.85 USD vs, what.. 49.99 USD?). I'd find it more likely that people would either pick up Grim Dawn just for the cheap ARPG action to pass the time, or maybe get bored of blizzards latest new shiny, and again, pick up Grim Dawn, just based on value alone.

I will pick up GD for two main reasons.

1. DRM Free
2. RPG Game

The price will not hurt either! :)

[yerkyerk]

What is anyone going to be doing any time within 3 months of Diablo 3 being released that is so detrimental to us?
Basically, playing (or saving money for) the game they've been waiting for over 10 years...

GD and D3 have the same audience; although GD has a different price class and might be interesting for people with a budget or who are looking for some more depth - I'm afraid the title will be simply overlooked if D3 comes out. People will usually have so much money to pay for games. And even though the price is differnet, if you have to spent money on some hardly known indie product with a low budget or the million-dollar budget sequel to the game that started it all... I'm pretty sure where the money and attention will go to. Wether GD is better or not doesn't even matter.

[shawnmck]

I agree with the notion that there is absolutely no reason why most ARPG fans can't get both.
It's just absurd to think (assume) that anyone can only get one of the two.

The only reason why I think some won't be getting both (cough, rabid Diablo fanboys) is because they are just insecure about any game that gives Diablo competition, & will stay away because they are obnoxious & arrogant.
And if that is the case, then there is going to be no pleasing them no matter what Crate Entertainment does with GD.

BTW
I plan on getting both Grim Dawn & Diablo 3.
My plate will be full. ;)

[yerkyerk]

Ow, it's not as much as having both; players will choose what they think is best. If they get bored of that game, they might look further.. that's why I think there's a certain date to be careful with. For aRPG fans like us; we'll just buy both. But if FIFA and Pro Evolution Soccer came out in the same timeframe, would you buy both or only one? Well, that's if you're even remotely interested in soccer, ofcourse.
And because I think the press will not be paying attention to GD when D3 comes out, which might cause this game to fly under the radar.

[shawnmck]

For aRPG fans like us; we'll just buy both. But if FIFA and Pro Evolution Soccer came out in the same timeframe, would you buy both or only one? Well, that's if you're even remotely interested in soccer, ofcourse.

I don't really care for soccer....
But I do plan on buying Bioshock 2 & Aliens vs Predator next month.
Does that count ?

Grim Dawn & Diablo 3 could come out within the same week or day, & I would still pick up both.
If I couldn't afford both, or didn't have the cash on me then I would go dumpster diving for aluminum cans if I had to (I will find a way).
But that's just me. I take gaming very seriously, and I'm am not about to let anything get in the way of my passion for gaming. It's the ultimate stress reliever.

But I get your point about the press for D3 forcing GD under the radar. Which would be very unfortunate.

[ASYLUM101]

Ultimate stress reliever! Indeed it is, but some people seem to get too worked up about that "stress reliever"...

[Malpheas]

I'd laugh if Blizzard somehow managed to coincide the releases...

[Panthro]

Given there isn't even a hint of a release date for D3, I think people are getting a bit ahead of themselves.

The indie scene is progressing at quite a pace, and word of mouth counts massively. I know there will be plenty of people (myself included) sharing their experiences of GD when we get the alpha/beta (depending on applicable levels of confidentiality). I'm a member of a few forums and for example those persons on the Good Old Games forum are as good a selection of potential customers as you'll find.

Provided the product is good, (and we do have our high hopes!) I don't think it will be difficult to get good sales figures. Especially if GD is available through a variety of digital distribution networks (steam, gamersgate, direct2drive etc.).

[Chameleon]

Kinda strange when D3 Trailers came out alot people complained D3 is too colorfull/not dark enough and now reading there "like uwww looks all like Mud"
(always trough that's what Diablo2 was about muddy/dark(what i loved))

The people who think the SS of GD look like mud or muddy must have really bad monitors. I see lots of rich colours.

[Void(null)]

Hey now...I am a Blizzard fan too lol. I guess I'm just not one of the rabid ones...

There is a huge difference between:

"I have enjoyed blizzards game so far" and the "lol11111omgn00b IR l33t script kiddie Diablow rulz all! 111 b7iz4rd r g0d!!1" Obnoxious little Blizztards.

[zyklop]

And because I think the press will not be paying attention to GD when D3 comes out, which might cause this game to fly under the radar.

That´s the main point. Crate can´t "survive" after GD release only with old TQ Fans and the fans already at this forum. They need to reach out for new target groups. And that will be much more difficult, if GD releases in the same time frame as Diablo3. If this happens, 2 months ago and 4 months after D3 release all print mags and online portals will talk again and again about it. No chance for other games in this genre...

[Roland]

I'll be picking both up ;)

And yea...the battlenet. thread is retarded imo

Why the hate?

How many quality ARPGs are there?

I'm sure the guys here wish Blizzard every success and it should be returned.

Nothing wrong with being a fan of both and hoping that both games succeed and are entertaining and fun to play :)

Regards

[ttangx]

I'll be picking both up ;)

And yea...the battlenet. thread is retarded imo

Why the hate?

How many quality ARPGs are there?

I'm sure the guys here wish Blizzard every success and it should be returned.

Nothing wrong with being a fan of both and hoping that both games succeed and are entertaining and fun to play :)

Regards

I don't think they're arguing that people will be fans of only one or the other but rather the opposite, that people will be fans of both but only have enough time to play one ARPG which may or may not be Diablo III if the releases are near each other.

Given the, ahem, rather large following of Diablo III, I'd say this is a valid concern since if the two games play similarly, I'd imagine you'd want to play one at a time and fully immerse yourself in whichever world you choose.

[Roland]

I don't think they're arguing that people will be fans of only one or the other but rather the opposite, that people will be fans of both but only have enough time to play one ARPG which may or may not be Diablo III if the releases are near each other.

Given the, ahem, rather large following of Diablo III, I'd say this is a valid concern since if the two games play similarly, I'd imagine you'd want to play one at a time and fully immerse yourself in whichever world you choose.

I hear ya...

And understand the concern, and it is a valid one on several levels. Has anyone from Crate mentioned that the release of GD was going to possibly coincide with D3's release?

Or is this just a "let's steer clear of this" kind of speculation?

As far as I knew there had been no solid release date info as of yet...for either game.

If I'm mistaken I apologize ;)

[yerkyerk]

Iirc, medierra already mentioned sometime somewhere (dunno when, dunno where even) that they're not planning to be shooting themselves in the foot by releasing so close near the 'other' title.
Not his exact wording, but I think it conveyed the message.

[Roland]

thx Yerk!

Good to see you over here ;)

[Chameleon]

Iirc, medierra already mentioned sometime somewhere (dunno when, dunno where even) that they're not planning to be shooting themselves in the foot by releasing so close near the 'other' title.
Not his exact wording, but I think it conveyed the message.

That's going to be difficult seeing as no one knows just when that other title is being released.:p

[Mines51]

I exclusively know when it's going to be released:

"When it's done"
"Soon"

[medierra]

I agree with most of what you said, but let's be honest - these two games will compete in one way or another.

I think people may misunderstand us when we say the games won't really compete. I don't necessarily mean that we're in two different markets, I just mean it isn't much of a competition. I think 99% of the people who can only afford to buy one game or the other will buy D3.

We'd be insane to think we can complete complete with them on a tiny fraction of the budget. In comparison to Blizzard's vast resources, we're just some dudes working in our basements who happen to have acquired an awesome engine and toolset. We know how to build solid gameplay and fortunately that, in itself, doesn't cost a ton of money. We're building this game because we have a true passion for ARPGs and we've seen that the TQ audience has endured and grown for an amazingly long time after the game's final release. We think you guys deserve a new game and we want to try to build a company doing something we love.

We think we can accomplish this because even though 99% of the people who have to choose one game or the other will probably choose D3, we also believe there is a significant portion of the audience who will buy two or more games a year. If D3 sells 5,000,000 copies, which seems possible given the sales of Diablo and Diablo 2, lets assume that even 25% (wild guess) of those people will buy a second game within that year. That leaves us with 1,250,000 people. Lets say only 25% (another wild guess) of those people actually buy our game, that's 312,500. That's enough sales for us to make a very nice return on our investment, expand our modest operation, and hopefully continue making games for years to come. Lets say only half that number actually buy our game, that's only 156,250. At that number we won't be won't be renting the most luxurious office space and may be still be eating bread and water for lunch, but we'll have made a small profit and we will still be in business.

Basically, I think we're college football to Blizzard's NFL...

Virtually all football fan's watch the NFL but many also have a favorite college team that they follow. ;)

[Z3us]

I think people may misunderstand us when we say the games won't really compete. I don't necessarily mean that we're in two different markets, I just mean it isn't much of a competition. I think 99% of the people who can only afford to buy one game or the other will buy D3.

We'd be insane to think we can complete complete with them on a tiny fraction of the budget. In comparison to Blizzard's vast resources, we're just some dudes working in our basements who happen to have acquired an awesome engine and toolset. We know how to build solid gameplay and fortunately that, in itself, doesn't cost a ton of money. We're building this game because we have a true passion for ARPGs and we've seen that the TQ audience has endured and grown for an amazingly long time after the game's final release. We think you guys deserve a new game and we want to try to build a company doing something we love.

We think we can accomplish this because even though 99% of the people who have to choose one game or the other will probably choose D3, we also believe there is a significant portion of the audience who will buy two or more games a year. If D3 sells 5,000,000 copies, which seems possible given the sales of Diablo and Diablo 2, lets assume that even 25% (wild guess) of those people will buy a second game within that year. That leaves us with 1,250,000 people. Lets say only 25% (another wild guess) of those people actually buy our game, that's 312,500. That's enough sales for us to make a very nice return on our investment, expand our modest operation, and hopefully continue making games for years to come. Lets say only half that number actually buy our game, that's only 156,250. At that number we won't be renting the most luxurious office space and may be still be eating bread and water for lunch, but we'll have made a small profit and we will still be in business.

Basically, I think we're college football to Blizzard's NFL...

Virtually all football fan's watch the NFL but many also have a favorite college team that they follow. ;)

You are now instantly and forever my favorite game publisher. I am utterly impressed by your post.
Get that donation thingie going! I want to buy a copy or two ;)

[eisprinzessin]

AFAIK TQ has sold continuous - I started to play it just last year. I assume that this plays to Crate's plans to release mulitple GD expansions. I'm convinced that GD will benefit from all the attention D3 will create for ARPGs. Some people who will have played through D3 will certainly look for similar games. If GD will be released months before D3, then Crate will make extra money for filling in the gap.

Any good (and successful) game will help the industry to develop - from marketing and quality points of view. After all this exitement :p I'm starting to consider, if I should buy D3, too. ;) Never played D1/2 and a friend of mine praised that TQ is more user-friendly.

[zidders]

Medierra, you guys rock. I agree with Z3us. You guys just earned a ton of respect from me, and as soon as I can afford it, i'm not just getting one legendary, i'm getting two.

[climber]

Ow, it's not as much as having both; players will choose what they think is best. If they get bored of that game, they might look further.. that's why I think there's a certain date to be careful with. For aRPG fans like us; we'll just buy both. But if FIFA and Pro Evolution Soccer came out in the same timeframe, would you buy both or only one? Well, that's if you're even remotely interested in soccer, ofcourse.
And because I think the press will not be paying attention to GD when D3 comes out, which might cause this game to fly under the radar.

Alot of indie titles get thrown under the bus when it comes to press. Digital distribution sites like Steam and Stardock do wonders for indie developers, take Geno Clash for instance, and like Medierra said, they aren't looking to make a diablo 3 killer so as long as they get close to their 200k mark they'll be doing good and if the game is great then word of mouth will get spread pretty quick on the forums, especially if D3 isn't out yet.

[wooterson]

Basically, I think we're college football to Blizzard's NFL...

Virtually all football fan's watch the NFL but many also have a favorite college team that they follow. ;)

Best analogy ever...and you can count me in for supporting you guys, as I like for there to be competition for my playing time and in the real video game market. All good things must come to an end and who knows...maybe Blizz's new projects will suck hard and they turn into a goat...prolly not, but the Romans aren't ruling the world right now either. :)

[Iceciro]

Your combination of humility and awesome just won me completely over, medierra - not that I wasn't going to buy it before, but it's even more set in solid diamond now.

I don't actually enjoy D1/D2, but I loved Titan Quest. I'm not looking at buying D3, but GrimDawn had a sale as soon as they said "From the dudes who brought you Titan Quest." So there's definitely more of a market for GrimDawn than just those who'd buy D3.

[medierra]

Wow, thanks for the incredible responses to my post! Glad you guys understand where we're coming from and support us. :D

[Jophilli]

I personally do hope that you guys at Crate get some well-deserved attention and success, because ever since I spoke with somebody from Iron Lore several years ago on the Titanquest.net forums (I had to inquire about the game's technology so I could use the info for my final presentation in GAM101), my interest had been piqued to work with such a talented yet relatively small group of game developers.

What I'm getting at is... a company like Crate would be one of my first choices when I graduate and start sending out my resume/portfolio. I know that you folks aren't hiring anytime soon, but if you hit a gold mine with any of your future games, I'll be one of the first to try impressing my way in :D

[Goekhan]

Seeing how the game industry started to revolve around "fanboys" and consoles, I feel like it's my obligation to support indie developers. (I'm gonna make this sentence my signature now) And I've seen many good games as a result.

If we're to abandon indie developers, if we're to abandon whole gaming industry to those "OBEY" fanboys and consoles, well, I'll have nothing to play that day as I won't enjoy them.

Yeah a bit off-topic, but I wanted to write this. I've seen many games got bashed, slaughtered because some fanboys wanted something done as they like. I've seen many game sequels & expansions got destoyed because console players felt it's hard to play that way.

[AXidenT]

Everywhere has fanboys; this place will develop them soon enough I bet. :p

[alexei]

Crate fanboy? Someday they will spawn everywhere on Earth but let's not have the one with attitude. Funny to have them worship medierra haha

[Malpheas]

Your fanboyism is inevitable, Mr. Anderson.

[kylol]

The battlenet community is fucking terrible.

[Ajantis]

battle.net was never the place to look for positive opinions for Grim Dawn. The standard battle.net poster is such a fanboy they have the reproductive organ of their chosen games' main character so far down their throat all you hear from them is a garble of disdain for anything not to do with their preferred game. The sad part is that the more zealotry for the game, and derision for competitors you demonstrate the more standing within such a community you will garner.

The opinions there that the game looks like just mud are like saying diablo2 looks like grass and rocks for the first chapter, sand and rocks for the second, mud for the third, and snow and lighter mud for the fourth. So far the screens and vids of d3 look like little more than updated d1 initial environment, and d2 second chapter, and the same classes from before (albeit they have called the necro a "witchdoctor"). Not to espouse unfair premature criticism of d3 as I am sure it will perform, but it does appear as little more than rehashing of the previously explored when you make generalised statements with little to base them on other than pre-beta/beta appearances.

In short: Looking for GD fans at battle.net is like looking for anything sensible on /b/

[Rhis]

In short: Looking for GD fans at battle.net is like looking for anything sensible on /b/

Yay for /b/

[Void(null)]

Yay for /b/

Moot actually Spoke at TED this year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxCtMHfMtt4

[Ajantis]

Yay for /b/
Liek my doubles.

Moot is actually Spoke at TED this year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxCtMHfMtt4
He was right about the thread where he asked for /b/'s opinion on what to talk about, the first reply was the N-bomb, and from there the ship just continued to take on water of the same flavour. Personally I thought he was trolling the board with that thread.

[Void(null)]

So apparently my grammar at 2am is something to be afraid of.

:rolleyes: