League of Legends

[ASYLUM101]

anyone else play it? I need a 3rd (and hopefully 4th and 5th) permanent team member for a cool group. I always use the matchmaker and get stuck with a 3rd retard who does nothing but complain or talk smack to the other team and not play. -_-

I really enjoy the game, but when I spend 40 minutes in a game winning, but can't win because my teammate fed the other team to the point where they have ridiculous gear, it really pisses me off and makes the game a whole lot less fun.

If you don't play, and you want to - I can give you a referral. (which would benefit me :D)

Oh yeah, before I forget - yerk reminded me, IT'S FREEEEEE

[yerkyerk]

You should note that it's a free game, that would attract people :D
Well, pay-to-win actually, but that's another discussion.

[Harlequin]

Well, pay-to-win actually, but that's another discussion.

What does that mean exactly?
I played it in the beta but it wasn't much fun because people kept flaming because I didn't know everything and exactly what to do and hating. Looks like the whole crappy community of dota went over to LoL.

btw: The game I was in was called "noobs only".

[Roros]

You should note that it's a free game, that would attract people :D
Well, pay-to-win actually, but that's another discussion.

The only thing you can buy with dollars is skins and other champions. You can unlock all champions by playing for free, and runes (the passive buffs) can only be earned by playing.

It's not a bad deal for a free game. Dumping a bunch of cash into it isn't going to give you any advantages.

I see a lot of people hating on it for it's item shop and I feel it's a little unjustified. I have my own beefs with the game, but the cash shop aspect isn't one of them.

[subshape]

I play it daily at around lunch time.
I mainly play Blitz, Jax, and Ezreal.
LOVE LOVE LOVE the game and I really like the service they provide. I've spent about $50 bucks on the game and have no problem paying more. It's terrifying how addictive the gameplay is.
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[ASYLUM101]

I play it daily at around lunch time.
I mainly play Blitz, Jax, and Ezreal.
LOVE LOVE LOVE the game and I really like the service they provide. I've spent about $50 bucks on the game and have no problem paying more. It's terrifying how addictive the gameplay is.
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I agree. :) I've spent about 35 bucks already, for the unlocks. Add me if you wanna play one day, tag is the same. (ASYLUM101)

And yerk, you can win just fine with the heroes they provide. They don't give you the crappy heroes free, they give you hand picked free heroes - different ones every week. But if you like a certain hero and want to keep him, you buy him (or unlock him with IP - points you get for playing every game) It's exactly as Roros says, you can't unlock special benefits you haven't earned by playing anyway.


I played it in the beta but it wasn't much fun because people kept flaming because I didn't know everything and exactly what to do and hating. Looks like the whole crappy community of dota went over to LoL.

This is why I'm inviting you to play with me :) I don't flame guys, honestly I think I'm pretty crappy but I do give advice and stuff if I see someone is extra nooby. And no, you're wrong about the DotA community - most of them went to HoN, LoL has some of the leftovers, sure but I've noticed most LoL players are a little more forgiving.

[myrmidon]

you usualy have a 2nd noob on your team to asylum :o

[yerkyerk]

I thought LoL featured buyable tokens that give the player an advantage.
Also heard that to unlock all the heroes without buying anything, you have to spend an eternity playing the game.

Not sure if either of those are true. I should try the game sometime. I'm pretty sure I prefer HoN from what I've heard, but it never hurts to try. Also, I could do without the vile attitude in the HoN community :)

[Harlequin]

Hm now that I think about it I might mixing it up with HoN. Not sure.

Yeah sure we can play but not before the 7th of Octobre because that's the deadline for my bachelorthesis.^^
And maybe not the 8th as well because I might be half dead. :P

[ASYLUM101]

I thought LoL featured buyable tokens that give the player an advantage.
Also heard that to unlock all the heroes without buying anything, you have to spend an eternity playing the game.

Not sure if either of those are true. I should try the game sometime. I'm pretty sure I prefer HoN from what I've heard, but it never hurts to try. Also, I could do without the vile attitude in the HoN community :)

Nope. There are "runes" which you unlock by playing more games. But you're never matched up with someone higher rank than yourself so you can expect to be playing on the same level as everyone else anyway. The runes DO give you an advantage, but it's something soooo tiny it probably doesn't make much difference. Things like, +18 mana at max level, +.5 % crit chance, + .4% attack speed... really, they don't make a huge difference lol

There are also "masteries" which you can level up as you play - but it's the same as the runes, things like +.3% ability power(scales ability damage on some heroes) per level (max 3) which ends up at about 18 ability power if you max that mastery and get your character to level 18 (max)... really not a big deal lol.

And no, you can't buy new slots for runes or new mastery points. You can only buy runes, rune sheets and mastery sheets (so you can have more than one preset build).

And yerk - the typical asshat attitude is still there, but from what I've seen, everyone is more friendly about it in general and less 'OMG YOU ARE SUCH A NOOB, JUST DROP PLZ", it's more like "lol, you suck with that guy, you should try this build ... " haha

Harle - lemme know :)

[Roros]

I thought LoL featured buyable tokens that give the player an advantage.
Also heard that to unlock all the heroes without buying anything, you have to spend an eternity playing the game.

The tokens probably refer to the "boosts", which only increase your XP and IP income - IP being the currency you earn from playing and XP becomes moot once you reach the level cap of 30.
Even if you have a billion IP, you can't "stack" a bunch of advantages since the slots of which you allocate the runes into are limited. I play it pretty casually and have already "capped" my runes ages ago. If I buy more now it would be to replace the ones I have with different ones, not add more.

The reason you have to play forever to unlock all the champions is just because there's a shipton of them.
At any given time there is a batch of "free" champions to fill each role - support, carry, tank, etc. So even if you prefer playing carries and that's all you buy, you'll always have access to a tank and so on. I believe the free ones rotate every week.

[Harlequin]

At any given time there is a batch of "free" champions to fill each role - support, carry, tank, etc.

What is a carry? Is the gameplay some capture-the-flag style?^^

[Roros]

It's someone who starts out pretty average, but becomes so powerful in the endgame that they almost singlehandedly win the match by 'carrying' their team to victory.

[yerkyerk]

Heh, that's MOBA terminology. A carry is a character that usually is weak early on, but becomes progressively more powerful throughout the game. He needs to be "carried" by his teammates early on, so he can "carry" them later. Although all players can hit hard endgame if they have the proper equipment, carries typically have scaling skills that synergize very well with powerful equipment.

As for tanks, HoN doesn't really have them (except for Legionnaire), as the tank should draw a lot of aggro and be able to sustain a lot of damage. There are characters who can sustain a lot of damage, but there's no reason for people to attack those characters, they're better off focussing on the glass cannons. The exception is Legionnaire, who can force people to attack him, and to a lesser extent Armadon as he's a decent damage dealer and therefore a threat you need to take care of. I kinda doubt there are real tanks in League of Legends as well.

[Harlequin]

hm carrier sounds like it requires some skill...not like those stupid DDs from HoN..
"look at me! I click 3 buttons! Oh, you dead. lololo"
I think I am more the type for supporter.^^

[Roros]

The tanky characters in LoL are mostly about saving teammates, and a couple of them have taunts as well which forces the target to autoattack them for a set time.

It's mostly about being tough enough so that you can go in first and mess up the enemy team a bit, and letting your teammates follow through.

[yerkyerk]

The ones going in first to disrupt the enemy team are called initiators, not tanks. Often when initiators blew their massive damage/disrupt skills, they're not dangerous anymore and the other teammembers should be focussed.

If you can force enemies to attack you and take a lot of damage, you're a tank.

As for difficulty, I found that carries are rather easy to play. They tend to have a lot of passive scaling skills, so it's not hard to control. They just need to be good at farming.
It's the supporters that have a hard time in my eyes; making sure vital entrances on the map are visible at all times, spending most your gold on items to support your team, harassing the other team so the carry can freefarm, sacrificing yourself to keep the carry alive, prime positioning, staying alive with crappy stats and on top of all, getting no thanks/rewards at all whatsoever for your efforts, other than winning the game.

[Harlequin]

It's the supporters that have a hard time in my eyes; making sure vital entrances on the map are visible at all times, spending most your gold on items to support your team, harassing the other team so the carry can freefarm, sacrificing yourself to keep the carry alive, prime positioning, staying alive with crappy stats and on top of all, getting no thanks/rewards at all whatsoever for your efforts, other than winning the game.

Heh I am used to that kind of playstyle and actually enjoy it. I played in a 2v2 team in Battleforge where my mainfocus was defending and supporting (pure frost if anyone here knows it) while my partner had the cards to blow away the enemy.
If you play with friends you will generally get the thanks or at least they will appreciate your effort. That's why I prefer not to play with randoms anyway.

Yerk you forgot: It is always your fault if the team looses. ;)

[ASYLUM101]

Yerk you forgot: It is always your fault if the team looses.

That's the kind of person I want on my team! Lol.

And yerk, tanks are extremely tanky in LoL. I don't remember much of the HoN heroes, but I don't recall any being as hard to kill as Garen or Rammus from LoL (armor stacks, magic resist stacks, HP stacks). I rock with Garen, I can tank like 2 average heroes (not assassins lol) and a turret with ease, AND push the heroes away.

[Harlequin]

That's the kind of person I want on my team! Lol.


I think we can play it together for a while. Ofc only if it get's me hooked.^^
I think I remember some old playmates playing this game. Maybe I will see them again there.

I rock with Garen, I can tank like 2 average heroes (not assassins lol) and a turret with ease, AND push the heroes away.

sounds balanced. ;)

[yerkyerk]

Yerk you forgot: It is always your fault if the team looses. ;)
Very true. Although truth be told, I'm not flamed that often by teammates. I just can't stand it if my teammates flame other teammates..

As for friends being more appreciative, yea, I know. Heh, that's why I was searching for friends to play HoN with. Games are much more fun if I play with Munder than when I'm playing solo. Somehow making friends in the game doesn't work though and since HoN, unlike LoL, has some huge obstacle to overcome (the community is much more asinine, the game unforgiving, the learning curve is much higher, it's more difficult (from what I've read and seen), less intuitive and it costs 30 bucks without knowing what you get for it), I can't really draw friends in it.

Anyway, as said, I should try LoL once. I installed it about a month ago, I think...

[ASYLUM101]

sounds balanced. ;)

lol It's not easy to do it :P

I've seen people play with the same hero and get retarded gear and just suck ass. Yet when I play, everyone flames me for abusing an overpowered hero, yet we've gone through several patches and still not one nerf....

Yerk, doesn't hurt to give it a try.

[Harlequin]

Well we are already 3 people here. How many players are in one team? 5?
Time for the GrimDawn-Team.^^

[ASYLUM101]

There's 2 different ones, there's the 5v5 map and a 3v3. I already have one permanent team member (my bro, myrmidon) but I still need the other 3 for the 5v5 and one more for the 3v3. (I can do without my bro when he's at school though :))

[myrmidon]

garen and ramus arent tanks, there hackers >,<

i could just play it at school :p sadly i tried and they blocked it ) : just like all the good websites. they dint block grimdawn yet though MUHAHAHAHAHAHA

[ASYLUM101]

Nah, you just have no idea how to deal with them.

[sevrun]

I've been kinda curious about this game for a while, but we can't seem to get it in the States. Impulse says it's not available here, but I can't get a straight answer why.

[ASYLUM101]

Erm... Try League of Legends.com lol, it's freeeee

[sevrun]

ehh? must have my game names mixed up then, sorry :\

[ws5926]

Is this a RTS game or what? I know it is a sequel to a warcraft III mod. I have played the hell out of Warcraft III. (I have beaten Insane 100% in less than 15 min)

Can anyone give me a brief summary of gameplay?

[yerkyerk]

It's genre is MOBA - Massive Online Battle Arena.

Basically you have one team of heroes vs another. Heroes can level up and gain gold by killing creeps or heroes.
Levelling up allows them to pick more skills, money allows them to buy better equipment. The goal is to destroy the enemy fortress.

[ws5926]

Is there any local lan play?

[Roros]

Is this a RTS game or what? I know it is a sequel to a warcraft III mod. I have played the hell out of Warcraft III. (I have beaten Insane 100% in less than 15 min)

Can anyone give me a brief summary of gameplay?

You remember the Warcraft 3 heroes? It's basically 5v5 where each player has one hero each, and you gain xp/gold in the same way - over time and by killing npc creeps. You spend the gold at your base, and items determine your build.

5v5 Diablo would also be one way of looking at it, only instead of having a persistent character, you start from scratch at every game and reach level cap in about half an hour or so.

[ASYLUM101]

Is there any local lan play?

In Heroes of Newerth and League of Legends, no sadly. But the servers are pretty reliable and you can have bots and invite friends to games. So arranging "LAN" games with all your personal friends who are sitting with you is possible, it's easy even. :)

[ASYLUM101]

Yo! For anyone interested still, harlequin and opal monkey have been playing with myrmidon and myself, we're shaping up to form a good team, we just need one more player!

Yerk? Have you given it a test run yet? lol

[yerkyerk]

I've tried the tutorials and stuff, for some reason I couldn't get in a real game quickly so I just abandoned the effort, heh. I'll try again soon.

[ASYLUM101]

Just hit me up on steam if you wanna play with a real person. Harlequin, myrmidon and I are on almost all day lol

[Harlequin]

Anyone is welcome. I just started myself so it's not a problem if you have never played a game like this before.

And it's really alot of fun to play, especially with friends.

[Sile]

I tried LoL and Dota but I canned it because I just had people saying "noob" and "omfg ur badz".. which was true but still, it shit me haha.

They are definitely games where you have to change the way you play. I'm a typical run-and-gun rambo player. I found that you cannot just go in and bash everything because you will die.. embarrasingly easy!

[Harlequin]

I tried LoL and Dota but I canned it because I just had people saying "noob" and "omfg ur badz".. which was true but still, it shit me haha.

They are definitely games where you have to change the way you play. I'm a typical run-and-gun rambo player. I found that you cannot just go in and bash everything because you will die.. embarrasingly easy!

In LoL the people are alot nicer than in Dota. Playing with friends helps there alot ofc. I have never been called noob by the team even if I fked up badly some times.^^
Everyone has to learn at some point.

[ASYLUM101]

Lol, yes harley gets his ass handed to him every game. :) Still, it's fun, and we try to teach him.

[Opal Monkey]

They are definitely games where you have to change the way you play. I'm a typical run-and-gun rambo player. I found that you cannot just go in and bash everything because you will die.. embarrasingly easy!
Heh, I usually play that way too! It does take awhile to get used to, but the practice games against bots are good for just getting the feel of things.

In LoL the people are alot nicer than in Dota. Playing with friends helps there alot ofc. I have never been called noob by the team even if I fked up badly some times.^^
Everyone has to learn at some point.
I've had two or three people that started bashing me. Only one on the same team, and it was someone I didn't know.

One guy on an opposing team got really, really mouthy once. I'd repeat some of the things he said, but I don't feel like getting banned from the forums! I think his strategy was to make me stare blankly in disbelief at what he was saying so I would loose... Needless to say, I eviscerated him! :D

Edit: Lol, yes harley gets his ass handed to him every game. :) Still, it's fun, and we try to teach him.
Haha, no worse than me!

[ASYLUM101]

One guy on an opposing team got really, really mouthy once. I'd repeat some of the things he said, but I don't feel like getting banned from the forums! I think his strategy was to make me stare blankly in disbelief at what he was saying so I would loose... Needless to say, I eviscerated him!

Lol yes, that was a great game, hilarious too.

[myrmidon]

Lol yes, that was a great game, hilarious too.

was i in that game?

[Harlequin]

Lol, yes harley gets his ass handed to him every game. :) Still, it's fun, and we try to teach him.

okay it's not THAT bad...

was i in that game?

hopefully not. It doesn't sound like a minor should have heard those words.^^

[ASYLUM101]

was i in that game?

Nah I think it was me opal and some random.

[myrmidon]

Minors here plenty of words from other minors these day's harl

[Harlequin]

Sad but true.

[Sile]

Is LoL still free? What time do you guys play? Might be a bit hard due to timezone difference for me.

[Harlequin]

Is LoL still free? What time do you guys play? Might be a bit hard due to timezone difference for me.

hm I am from Germany and they are from US. I think at about 8am to 2pm of your time.

Yes it is free to play but you dont have access to all champions in the beginning. You have to unlock him.
Every week 5 or 6 different champions are free to play.

[Sile]

hm I am from Germany and they are from US. I think at about 8am to 2pm of your time.

Yes it is free to play but you dont have access to all champions in the beginning. You have to unlock him.
Every week 5 or 6 different champions are free to play.

Yeah, probably not the best hours for me as I'm generally out in the yard or the shed working, or out shopping early weekend mornings.

[Sile]

So, I did search of LoL vs. HoN.

A clear majority of a site visited loved HoN and thought LoL was just that.. lol.

Anyone here tried HoN to compare it to LoL? Apparently you can pay to win in LoL but in HoN you can't?

[ASYLUM101]

Apparently you can pay to win in LoL but in HoN you can't?

Why do people say this? It's complete BS. You can pay real money to buy heroes, sure. But the game is free to play otherwise, and you can get said heroes for free as well.

The only thing you can get with real money that you can't with game money is skins.

Really? Skins give you an advantage?

Anyone here tried HoN to compare it to LoL?

I played HoN when it was in beta with munderbunny and yerk, and while it was very similar, I personally like LoL more. The visuals are much nicer, the general attitude is better (rather than having 90% asshats and dickheads it's about 30%) and the shops are MUCH more organized. Having played LoL, Demigod, HoN and DotA, you wouldn't believe how much difference an organized shop makes.

So, I did search of LoL vs. HoN.

A clear majority of a site visited loved HoN and thought LoL was just that.. lol.

That's like looking up TQ vs TL, of course TL diehards will say TQ is a piece of crap, while TQ diehards like myself will say the reverse.

Just give LoL a chance, it's free, how can it possibly hurt.

[subshape]

I love LoL.
I'm playing Garen the last couple games, now I need to play at Jax since they respec'd him.
Can't wait!!
B

[Sile]

Im not trying to say HoN is better or LoL is better.. I personally don't care as they aren't really my type of games.. but.. in saying that, last time I tried DOTA was a couple year ago and I wouldn't mind trying another MOBA. If one games shines more than another, I'd rather try that, obviously.

Sounds like both games have their pro's and con's with no clear winner. Because LoL is free, I'll give it another crack.. but I like the GFX of HoN more I must say.

edit: to clear up any confusion, I tried LoL when it was in it's early stages for about 15 minutes. So looking to give the genre another crack.

[ASYLUM101]

I'm playing Garen the last couple games, now I need to play at Jax since they respec'd him.

lol he's kinda overpowered now.

Im not trying to say HoN is better or LoL is better..

I'm well aware of that haha.

[Opal Monkey]

I love LoL.
I'm playing Garen the last couple games, now I need to play at Jax since they respec'd him.
Can't wait!!
B
I'll second loving LoL!

And would just like to add that I can't stand trying to take down Garen! Even Tryndamere has problems doing that! :mad: ... At least that's my view from the middle of mediocrity.

[Harlequin]

I love LoL.
I'm playing Garen the last couple games, now I need to play at Jax since they respec'd him.
Can't wait!!
B

You can play with us anytime! :)

[Sile]

Im installing LoL as I type.

Now to find a good n00b character and read through the plethora of tips and tricks.

edit: ehhhh.. downloading updates

[yerkyerk]

Well, the general consensus of LoL vs HoN I find out (though I haven't given LoL a good try yet, this is from things I've read);

LoL is much more user friendly and has a lower learning curve. It's more aimed at the casual MOBA fanbase. You have to pay if you want to unlock all heroes, or play for an insane amount of time. You can probably unlock a good bunch if you play regularly though, and you always have access to 9 heroes that cycle per week (I think). You can earn runes in the game, which allows you to customize your characters outside of the game. You can buy xp boosts, which allows you to gain IP faster and gives you easier access to runes. You can get these runes by playing as well, just takes longer.
The graphics are cartoonish. The game has steered away more from DotA and removed several mechanics. There's no creep denying, no counterwarding, no creeppulling, town portals are free, etc..
A big advantage of LoL is that it's free to try (and play).

HoN aims at the hardcore fans of the MOBA genre and is essentially a spiced up DotA copy. A huge learning curve and a competitive game make for a very toxic community (the biggest downside to HoN is without a doubt the community). Player roles are much more defined and everyone expects you to know what to do. You get somewhat weirder and deeper mechanics in this game, such as denying your own creeps, creeppulling, counterwarding, etc.. (all possible in DotA too I believe). The general consensus I've read (also on the LoL forums) is that HoN is better balanced - which they have to be, as they're trying hard to earn their spot in the competitive esport scene.
The game looks more like an updated version of the WC3 engine.
The 30 bucks is an all-in price, you get everything.
If you're interested in HoN, I have two trial keys, both are good for 10 nostat games. Nostat games are kind of the bottom of HoN though, but still, it's better than nothing and at least the community in nostat games are friendlier. That's enough games to see if you're interesetd - but I reckon you'd need up to 50 games to get the basics and over 200 games to really get a grasp of what's what. So, it's a huge time investment.

Anyway, in short, LoL is more casual and HoN is more hardcore. The graphics are of personal preference.

[Sile]

Thanks for the run down Yerky.

Just played against the AI.. probably on really easy.. I'm not sure coz I just clicked buttons to get into a match. Chose the first toon which was Annie.

I won the match, yay for me. Was fun.. though picking items as you get gold would come with a lot of practice to get the sets right. It gives you a recommended loot option but I couldn't buy 90% of the items.. it appears you have to buy certain items to make up one item.. was a bit confusing so i just bought the most expensive stuff i could afford assuming it'd be pretty darn good.

But yeah, was entertaining.. and it was free. The graphics are a bit cartoonish and I dont particularly like them, but they serve the purpose and the game runs fast so it's good. The GFX aren't bad.. just not my personal taste, but they are quite bareable.

[yerkyerk]

Some like shops in LoL better, some in HoN. To me, it all looks too complicated. I'm used to how the HoN shops works now though.

You can buy components and if you buy the right components, together they form a new item. Quite useful, as it saves up slot spaces and often gives an interesting bonus.

I guess best you can do is mess around in practice mode and see if you can get the hang of it.

[ASYLUM101]

Some like shops in LoL better, some in HoN. To me, it all looks too complicated. I'm used to how the HoN shops works now though.

You can buy components and if you buy the right components, together they form a new item. Quite useful, as it saves up slot spaces and often gives an interesting bonus.

I guess best you can do is mess around in practice mode and see if you can get the hang of it.

I don't see how the shops in LoL can possibly be complicated. The mechanics, sure, but the shop? It's organized by Defense, Magic, Attack, something else and Consumables, then within each one is more sub categories. It's really quite simple to find what you want, of course you need to know what you want.



Just played against the AI.. probably on really easy.. I'm not sure coz I just clicked buttons to get into a match. Chose the first toon which was Annie.

Difficulty only goes to Easy, and it's not very hard at all, even as freshmeat you should have no trouble winning cause the AI is retarded. It's mainly there for new guys like you to get adjusted and to test builds, classes whatever to get accustomed to the playstyle so when you jump into a pub game, you're not beyond confused on how to use a certain character.


I won the match, yay for me. Was fun.. though picking items as you get gold would come with a lot of practice to get the sets right. It gives you a recommended loot option but I couldn't buy 90% of the items.. it appears you have to buy certain items to make up one item.. was a bit confusing so i just bought the most expensive stuff i could afford assuming it'd be pretty darn good.

Well uh... you gotta finish combining the item before you move onto the next one... Knowing which item to start with is really helpful as well.

FYI - the recommended build is often times the most mediocre.. not really sure why it's recommended.


Annie is a caster type, her skills scale with Ability Power items. More AP = More damage. Most heroes have skills that scale with AP, which is cool because some heroes have multiple builds due to that fact.

Sion(not free, just a good example) for instance. I just played with him the other day and while he looks like a massive executioner zombie type guy, he does do massive damage with Ability Power gear. Similarly, he's quite viable as a tank, or a monstrous damage monster.

[Harlequin]

I think learning the itemshop in LoL is not that hard.
Everything is organized where it makes sense. Combined items can be found in multiple categories if they fit into more than one.

(btw: You missed Movement Asylum^^)

You pretty fast find out how the basics in the fight work but getting some help REALLY is helpful.

Balance: Well I am not good enough to judge the balance but sometimes you think the Devs could have put more thought into it but unless you are playing in topranks you wont notice the imbalance in a 5v5 because a op-heroe gets a bit evened out (dumb teammates, other weaker heroes in team, etc).

Community: Yeah HoN is just full of haters. However LoL...many are retards and douchebags. They are not really hating and flaming you they just act like they are the shit...and never visit the LoL-Forum. Full of QQ und Trolls and Spam. Once saw a thread with like 15 pages where every post was "ok"...obviously some kind of inside-joke.

[myrmidon]

lol complicated? how that game is so easy! and maybe the most organized ever. i played wc3 dota the other day and i rememberd why i hated dota back then. most the time your in your base looking for the right item to create another item that you have no idea where it is and then they have a secret shop far away. its just stuiped. im pritty sure i played lol once dont remember if it was easyer or what

[Harlequin]

Okay that new cycle of free heroes is a slap into my face. I mean seriosuly? I can't play this week except for like Sunday or next Monday and they put in:
Janna, Taric, Udyr and Galio? 4 Heroes I have on my list that I want to buy and would love to try out before?
Bah. I hope they prolong it until Tuesday next week...

[yerkyerk]

I don't see how the shops in LoL can possibly be complicated. The mechanics, sure, but the shop? It's organized by Defense, Magic, Attack, something else and Consumables, then within each one is more sub categories. It's really quite simple to find what you want, of course you need to know what you want.
Actually, HoN works a lot like that. Specific items are all in the shops to the left, which are divided in weapons, relics, accesoires and consumables and the right shops contain the upgraded ingredients - supportive, combative, initiation and morph attack. And ofcourse there's a recommended items tab.

I just think that there has to be a better way to offer items. Sure, I can find whatever I need now, but I remember it being all a blurry mess when I started.

[ASYLUM101]

Janna, Taric, Udyr and Galio? 4 Heroes I have on my list that I want to buy and would love to try out before?
Bah. I hope they prolong it until Tuesday next week...

Galio rocks! :)

As for HoN, well when I played it, yeah it is organized better than DotA for sure... but all the categories were icon-tagged rather than with text like LoL, so it kind of slows you down when you went to the shop. I remember having to spend a couple minutes trying to find my item every time when I played with you guys because I couldn't remember which damn icon was the one for the item I needed, and some of the things I didn't even know where they were located. By organizing everything by text, imo it's far easier to locate everything.

I've never had an issue finding what I needed in LoL. The only issue I had was knowing how to build a character. Is damage better for this character, or magic power? etc.

Oh, the picture of the orc? That must be be melee weapons. I prefer finding melee weapons by clicking Attack -> Damage.

[Sile]

I must admit, the text menus are very easy to read and follow. It's just the items that confuse me, but that's only because I don't know how to build characters etc. As I said earlier, that all comes with practice.

[ASYLUM101]

I must admit, the text menus are very easy to read and follow. It's just the items that confuse me, but that's only because I don't know how to build characters etc. As I said earlier, that all comes with practice.

Exactly.

Generally, casters excel with AP, tank classes get armor (some scale with it, others you need to mix damage and armor), melee carries get attack damage/speed, etc.

If you don't know what class your character is, just click on him in the character select, or look at him in the shop. It tells you all the classes he fits under as well as gives you tips on how to play them.

[Opal Monkey]

Okay that new cycle of free heroes is a slap into my face. I mean seriosuly? I can't play this week except for like Sunday or next Monday and they put in:
Janna, Taric, Udyr and Galio? 4 Heroes I have on my list that I want to buy and would love to try out before?
Bah. I hope they prolong it until Tuesday next week...
Oh great, I better get playing... I want to try 6 or 7 of the ones they have on this week! Really have to try Taric again, now that I actually have some clue what I'm doing!

[Sile]

What's the best way to test out heroes? Just in practice against the PC or online against Pro Elite Noob Killers?

[Opal Monkey]

I always run a couple of practice games when testing a champion. Either just in a game with me and all bots, or on a team of other people playing against bots.

I find it's somewhat easier to tell how I do if it's just me and the rest (on both teams) are bots... just because it's more predictable and I rarely get the build right the first time.

It's mostly personal preference, I think.

[ASYLUM101]

What's the best way to test out heroes? Just in practice against the PC or online against Pro Elite Noob Killers?

Add me and Opal to your friends list (same name as the forum names, except Opal has no space in his). We play practice rounds to test new heroes all the time.

[myrmidon]

hey i want to be added to! my names the coyl. because im the captain of your life!

[Roros]

Aw, I literally bought Galio the same day they said he's going to be free this week.

He's a lot of fun. I sometimes build him as a nuker, which works out extremely well if the enemy team assumes I'm a tank and have ended up carrying a couple of times because of it. Abyssal scepter is perfect for his ult, and I'm surprised it's not one of his recommended items regardless of his 'default' intended role.

[ASYLUM101]

He's a lot of fun. I sometimes build him as a nuker, which works out extremely well if the enemy team assumes I'm a tank and have ended up carrying a couple of times because of it. Abyssal scepter is perfect for his ult, and I'm surprised it's not one of his recommended items regardless of his 'default' intended role.

Liche Bane is another good one, though expensive. It adds a hefty chunk of AP and MR, great for him.

[Sile]

Add me and Opal to your friends list (same name as the forum names, except Opal has no space in his). We play practice rounds to test new heroes all the time.

Cool man, will do.

Myrm, i'll add you as well.

My nick is Silenkurri.

[Harlequin]

You can add me as well though I cant be online before sunday to accept...maybe I will just add you once I am on...thats better and easier.^^

Galio is 6300 IP so I wont be able to get him soon but especially Taric and Udyr are in range with 3150 IP.

[Sile]

I logged into LoL long enough to accept some friend requests and to say Hi to Opal, them my PC Blue Screened for THE LAST TIME DAMN IT!!

Had to re-install Win7. Might also have been a dodgey BIOS update too.. but I've been wanting to reformat for a while so I guess it was a good excuse.

[ASYLUM101]

Galio is 6300 IP so I wont be able to get him soon but especially Taric and Udyr are in range with 3150 IP.

Lol yeah, I gotta save up for Galio now, been wasting my IP on stupid heroes. (Sion, Lux, lol)

Had to re-install Win7. Might also have been a dodgey BIOS update too.. but I've been wanting to reformat for a while so I guess it was a good excuse.

Ouch, that sucks haha.

[Opal Monkey]

I logged into LoL long enough to accept some friend requests and to say Hi to Opal, them my PC Blue Screened for THE LAST TIME DAMN IT!!

Had to re-install Win7. Might also have been a dodgey BIOS update too.. but I've been wanting to reformat for a while so I guess it was a good excuse.
I was wondering why you signed in, said hello, then took off! Guess this was a good excuse :p At least it wasn't hardware failure.

I'm just waiting for my hard drive to fail. It's been clicking for 3 years, and I got a blue screen when I woke it up today, it was okay though. Just waiting for an excuse to get a new (larger) hard drive and Windows 7!

[Harlequin]

Lol yeah, I gotta save up for Galio now, been wasting my IP on stupid heroes. (Sion, Lux, lol)


Sion is quite strong isn't he? Well Lux...I am glad I got Gragas instead. :D
I am sure my next hero is either Taric (will playtest him) or Xin Zhao (if I dont like or suck with Taric)

[Roros]

I feel Lux is maybe a bit like Kayle. She's such a hybrid that when she makes you win it's not really apparent at the surface. It's all those little things she constantly does that just kinda nudges every team fight into an advantage.

Shields and roots especially is the kinda thing that makes others win and doesn't really show up in the post game stats. There are times I can go 0/5/3 or something with Kayle but still feel like I was responsible for us winning some of the major team fights

[ASYLUM101]

Well admittedly yes, I've done quite well with Lux but the problem is she doesn't give enough support with her shield. Seriously, 3 seconds for a shield that provides 50 damage protection? Sure, it applies twice, thats 100 damage, that'll protect you from like, one melee attack EARLY GAME. Even late game, that shield provides next to nothing. It really needs to be buffed, cause even with massive AP builds it provides nothing.

IMO, the thing she excels at is stealing peoples kills. Or not stealing, but catching those guyts who flee with like 10 HP. Cause honestly, even if they have equal HP to what her ultimate does she won't kill them. (magic resistance GRRR)

Don't get me wrong though, I really enjoyed playing with her, I just feel she's not as useful as some other heroes, especially some of the other supports. Morgana? MUCH more useful than Lux, a shield that provides invulnerability and has a GREAT snare. (lasts longer than Lux's iirc) Kayle? She can deal MASSIVE damage for a support character, heals really well, and can provide a moment of immortality. If I ever get Kayle on my lane when I play singed, it's always GG. etc etc etc

Sion is quite strong isn't he?

Yes he is insanely powerful, I just am not used to playing him. I thought he was tankier than what he really is. He actually makes an insane AP-nuker.

[Harlequin]

I think those stats are useless anyway.
Just look at tanks. They tend to have more deaths than kills or assists but if you think of all the dmg they have sucked up so the carries didn't get damaged. That doesnt appear in the stats but I really think that they do an important job for the team.

[ASYLUM101]

I think those stats are useless anyway.
Just look at tanks. They tend to have more deaths than kills or assists but if you think of all the dmg they have sucked up so the carries didn't get damaged. That doesnt appear in the stats but I really think that they do an important job for the team.

It actually IS in the stats, there's a tab in the aftermath that allows you to see "total damage received". But imo, a real tank doesn't die haha. When I play Singed and I'm tanking, normally I don't die and everything else gets pwned.

[Harlequin]

It actually IS in the stats, there's a tab in the aftermath that allows you to see "total damage received". But imo, a real tank doesn't die haha. When I play Singed and I'm tanking, normally I don't die and everything else gets pwned.

Yeah but the only stats people look at are k/d/a and say "lolo look at me I pwnz" and stuff.

Yeah well Singed is not a real tank imo. True he has a load of HP but his skills do a crapload of dmg for a tank. His passive is the only reason why you could consider him a tank. Real tanks are champs like Rammus or Shen imo. They got provoke and got skills to reduce dmg they take. They force the enemy to attack them and they can protect their allies. Singed is more like...boom headshot. Especially his Fling scales way too good for a E-skill that is more like a cc.
Yeah I wouldnt really call him a true tank.
Singed is more a dps/tank hybrid which I dont really like. He seems to be a bit too strong at least at the skill-level where we are playing together. (I dont want to say he is easy to play though) Especially his Passive seems to be WAY WAY WAY WAY overpowered compared to some other Passives. (Gragas regaining 2% of his health over 4 seconds if a skill is used...just lol)

Imo a real tank should die before everyone else. If a mate dies and you are still alive you made something wrong as a tank(it shall be taken the HE didnt fail hard).

[myrmidon]

not op if hes hard to use

[Harlequin]

not op if hes hard to use

in a PvP-game "hard to use" is not an argument for balance. Balance always considers the best way you could play something.

Anyway I dont want to start a balance discussion here.^^

LoL is awesome and I got 2 more friends to play with yesterday. :)

[ASYLUM101]

Yeah well Singed is not a real tank imo. True he has a load of HP but his skills do a crapload of dmg for a tank. His passive is the only reason why you could consider him a tank. Real tanks are champs like Rammus or Shen imo. They got provoke and got skills to reduce dmg they take. They force the enemy to attack them and they can protect their allies. Singed is more like...boom headshot. Especially his Fling scales way too good for a E-skill that is more like a cc.

Uh... Fling doesn't do that much damage really. 300 at max level and scales with AP, sure that's powerful. I mean, fling is GREAT for singling out enemies, but fling doesn't slow, it doesn't stun, nothing. The enemy has the choice to flash out, or whatever, it's really easy to avoid... Also, if you don't get any armor he dies immediately when he goes in battle. He's a HUGE target, no one wants singed around which is why he is a great tank, he provokes everyone JUST by being there. But he really doesn't have that much HP at all for a tank. Even with his passive (which is pathetic, 25% of EXTRA mana = HP, that's nothing)


Singed is more a dps/tank hybrid which I dont really like. He seems to be a bit too strong at least at the skill-level where we are playing together. (I dont want to say he is easy to play though) Especially his Passive seems to be WAY WAY WAY WAY overpowered compared to some other Passives. (Gragas regaining 2% of his health over 4 seconds if a skill is used...just lol)

Imo a real tank should die before everyone else. If a mate dies and you are still alive you made something wrong as a tank(it shall be taken the HE didnt fail hard).

If the enemy knows how to play, they're not gonna be stupid and target the tank first. Sure he's there to soak damage for the team, but if you have say, Jax and Singed, you're gonna target Jax cause he's far easier to kill. It's singed's job to get the enemy OFF of Jax. Fling does that perfectly, as does poison and glue.

Sure he is a hybrid, that's what makes him hard to play, and imo really fun. His passive is NOT overpowered compared to other characters. Garen? Regen .5% of his HP every second when not in battle for 8 seconds. EASY to get full HP, only takes a few moments. Jax? 3 points of HP per Attack damage and 2 HP per Ability power. Singed? 25% of ADDITIONAL mana is given as HP. I usually only get about 500-1000 mana as singed, that's a mere 125-250 HP. Not overpowered in the slightest, in fact, it's quite underpowered compared to other heroes passives, like Shen who deals damage based on his HP every 7 seconds, or Master Yi who strikes twice in one blow after 8 hits or so.

[Harlequin]

Uh... Fling doesn't do that much damage really. 300 at max level and scales with AP, sure that's powerful. I mean, fling is GREAT for singling out enemies, but fling doesn't slow, it doesn't stun, nothing. The enemy has the choice to flash out, or whatever, it's really easy to avoid... Also, if you don't get any armor he dies immediately when he goes in battle. He's a HUGE target, no one wants singed around which is why he is a great tank, he provokes everyone JUST by being there. But he really doesn't have that much HP at all for a tank. Even with his passive (which is pathetic, 25% of EXTRA mana = HP, that's nothing)

Yeah it scales with AP 1:1. That is quite something I have only seen ultimates scale that good.
It also puts you behind you so the enemy basically land in your poison or a well places puddle of stick (however its named).
Flashing out works for almost everything.

It is true noone wants him around because of his huge dmg-potential and his fling. He is a dangerous dps that can take alot of dmg with his ultimate.


Sure he is a hybrid, that's what makes him hard to play, and imo really fun. His passive is NOT overpowered compared to other characters. Garen? Regen .5% of his HP every second when not in battle for 8 seconds. EASY to get full HP, only takes a few moments. Jax? 3 points of HP per Attack damage and 2 HP per Ability power. Singed? 25% of ADDITIONAL mana is given as HP. I usually only get about 500-1000 mana as singed, that's a mere 125-250 HP. Not overpowered in the slightest, in fact, it's quite underpowered compared to other heroes passives, like Shen who deals damage based on his HP every 7 seconds, or Master Yi who strikes twice in one blow after 8 hits or so.

I dont kow what you mean with "ADDITIONAL". For every manapoint he has he gets 0,25 HP. If you build Singed for AP you will automatically gain Mana which then leads to additional health.

The Passive might be balanced, I don't know all passives, I just said it is op compared to some Passives.

[yerkyerk]

in a PvP-game "hard to use" is not an argument for balance. Balance always considers the best way you could play something.

Even if you have superkorean (better than regular korean) micromanagement skills you're gonna perform mediocre with a hero that requires perfect micromangement (petmancers), to balance the game for impossible-to-acquire micro skills would mean that it would be a shitty hero on any conceivable actual player (even the pro's), because nobody's able to get that level of micro.

Balancing in MOBA's should be about the performance of top players with the heroes though, in accordance with their team.

[ASYLUM101]

I dont kow what you mean with "ADDITIONAL". For every manapoint he has he gets 0,25 HP. If you build Singed for AP you will automatically gain Mana which then leads to additional health.

Additional means, coming from items. It doesn't calculate singed's base mana into his bonus HP, and if it DOES, his base HP is now BEYOND pathetic. And no, if you build AP you do NOT get mana. The only AP item singed can get that will be of ANY benefit to him, is Rod of the Ancients, which provides 500 mana and 500 HP, as well as like 60 AP. Not really amazing, only adds 125 extra HP with that mana, which is practically neglible.

Yeah it scales with AP 1:1. That is quite something I have only seen ultimates scale that good.
It also puts you behind you so the enemy basically land in your poison or a well places puddle of stick (however its named).

You're missing the point though, AP singed dies instantly if he doesn't build tank. The only POSSIBLE way to build an AP singed is to ensure your team starts off with 10 kills and the enemy has none. If you're THAT far ahead, you can do it, but its SO easy to shut singed down it's not even funny. He has SUPER short melee range, Fling's range is = to his melee range. He NEEDS 1:1 on fling or he deals next to no damage with fling and becomes a completely useless hero. The damage behind fling in most games for me averages around 300 + 250. I don't build AP singed because he NEEDS to tank, everyone targets him because he's the fastest, he has to stick his neck out into the enemy team and pull one guy back, if he doesn't have that tankyness and is pure AP, he wouldn't be able to do that at all. He'd be pure ganker and it's extremely difficult to play him like that.

I mean, I could say things like Gragas or Shen are overpowered, cause you know, they deal a ton of damage and can tank extremely well, and on top of it, they have escape skills that allow them to pass through walls. (yes, dash and bodyslam work through walls, it's insane.)

[Harlequin]

Balancing in MOBA's should be about the performance of top players with the heroes though, in accordance with their team.

Thats what I was trying to say. :)

[Opal Monkey]

Regarding Singed: He's just like a lot of other heroes, if you know how to build him, he fits your play-style, and you don't get completely destroyed right off the start... he can be very powerful. Without a decent team though, there are very few heroes that can even attempt to take on a team without proper support, and I don't see that Singed isn't one of them.

I mean, I could say things like Gragas or Shen are overpowered, cause you know, they deal a ton of damage and can tank extremely well, and on top of it, they have escape skills that allow them to pass through walls. (yes, dash and bodyslam work through walls, it's insane.)
Also, Tryndamere's Spinning Slash can pass through walls. I keep forgetting about it when escaping from fights, then just remember when jungling :furious:

[ASYLUM101]

Regarding Singed: He's just like a lot of other heroes, if you know how to build him, he fits your play-style, and you don't get completely destroyed right off the start... he can be very powerful. Without a decent team though, there are very few heroes that can even attempt to take on a team without proper support, and I don't see that Singed isn't one of them.

Exactly, if he isn't EXTREMELY fed (and i mean like ridiculously so, with like 20 kills and 0 on the other team) he NEEDS his team. He can't dish out enough damage alone, he can't solo lanes, etc. He needs a great partner early on to help him, guys like Tryndamere, Kat, Pantheon, Master Yi, hell, even Nunu are great lane partners for him. He's just there for the fling n ping, the other guy is there for the slow and massive dps. He's a really mixed class, he's a tank/mage/support class which makes it really tricky on how to build him, my build is never the same, it's always dependent upon who is in the game with us. If I see JAX, Master Yi or Trynd on the other team, I rush for Thornmail after I get my core gear (Swift boots and Rod of Ages), if I see Veigar or some other monster mage, like Ryze, I rush for Abyssal Scepter/Banshee's Veil.

Singed is really dependent upon who you fight and how well your team does

[Sile]

I think I like that Garen character. Seems like a Paladin and since a Paladin is the last character I played in WoW and D2, I wouldn't mind trying him out.

Do you guys try and concentrate on one character and master him/her first then move on? Or do you guys just play every character until you find one you find easy to play/enjoy playing?

[ASYLUM101]

Do you guys try and concentrate on one character and master him/her first then move on? Or do you guys just play every character until you find one you find easy to play/enjoy playing?

Pretty much just play one character till you're comfortable with him, then if you get bored find another to "master". So far I feel that I've mastered Singed and Lux, I'm pretty good with Nassus and Malphite (after having played a few games with them when someone else goes with Singed), and my newest love is Galio, who I feel takes no effort to master. Just mass AP and rape.

[Opal Monkey]

I think I like that Garen character. Seems like a Paladin and since a Paladin is the last character I played in WoW and D2, I wouldn't mind trying him out.

Do you guys try and concentrate on one character and master him/her first then move on? Or do you guys just play every character until you find one you find easy to play/enjoy playing?
I found it takes a little while to find a character that interested me enough to want to stick with it and get good. The first time I got completely destroyed by Tryndamere I was fascinated by the play-style. I saved up enough IP to buy him and have played him in almost every normal game since!

I'd say when starting off, pick a hero, play with him/her/it for several games in a row and maybe read a couple of guides to get some ideas of what items to go with. Then if you don't like that hero after a few games repeat with another one that is free that week.

Garen is an entertaining one to go with. Good abilities, good health, no mana to worry about, and his skills don't even cost health. He's only restrained by cooldowns when it comes to ability use.

That just reminded me of the whole mana issue. As far as I know there are four types of hero. They use:
1. Mana. A blue bar that mana regen affects.
2. No mana. They consume health instead.
3. No mana and no health. They are only restricted by cooldowns.
4. Energy. A yellow bar that mana regen doesn't affect. It regenerates faster than mana, and is only used by ninja type heroes at the moment.

[Sile]

Yeah, I noticed Shen (the ninja guy i think) used a yellow energy bar.

I love the idea of no mana and waiting for CD's. Whether I'll love it when playing is a different story. But having no Mana means I can ditch any mana items making the selection a bit easier.

[Sile]

What's Garen like with a HP regen build? Can you get it high enough to be really annoying to kill or does HP only regen outside of combat?

[Opal Monkey]

I love the idea of no mana and waiting for CD's. Whether I'll love it when playing is a different story. But having no Mana means I can ditch any mana items making the selection a bit easier.
Yup, I can't stand watching mana, so that's what I do with Tryndamere. Then I go for Spirit Visage to reduce the cooldowns by 12% I think it is. Plus it boosts the healing on Bloodlust by 20%!

Edit: Not sure about the HP regen Garen. Never tried building him like that.

[ASYLUM101]

No need to build Garen with HP Regen, his passive and ONE item allows you to regen to full in about a minute. (Force of Nature, adds 40 passive regen per 5 and another .5% total regen, totalling ~1% of your max HP + 8 per second. (it's immense) One of the reasons I hate Garen, so damn hard to kill. It is possible sure, but it's much better to build a regen-mundo (who has base regen in addition to his ultimate which regenerates 40% of his total HP in like 10 seconds at level 1)

It's much more effective to build him as a tank because of how EFFICIENTLY he does it...already has immense base regen, he has an ability that grants him damage resistance (rare in LoL), he has an ability that makes people flee from you (because they don't want to die, not cause the effect). With armor he can easily tank 3 average heroes (not carries like Trynd or Jax)

[Sile]

Garen sounds like my type of character. Now to put my own shield up protecting me from all the ppl about to say "noob hero!!"

Spin to Win!

Love it haha

[ASYLUM101]

Good luck with that, everyone will blast you with that. lol when I used to play Garen, EVERYONE was all like, WOW look another gay kid with another gay overpowered tank hero, GOOD JOB AT LIFE...

I'm like...stfu kid, I can't afford vladmir ok, he's 6300 and I'm not dumping real money into the game yet. (was a while back)

And then when I play with Singed, it's the opposite story. Everyone on the other team is like WOW SINGED, YOU'RE REALLY GOOD, or UGH YOU GUYS ARE LUCKY SINGED IS ON YOUR TEAM, HE DOES ALL THE WORK.

^This is because singed is a support/tank, he flings and slows and then the team ganks, and people HATE that.

[Sile]

If Garen is sooo OP, why hasn't he been nerfed?

[ASYLUM101]

*shrug* Apparently the team behind the game are idiots. (according to the whiners, who continue playing anyway.) It's not OP, it's just people like to QQ

[Sile]

Well, getting my new case tonight hopefully so I'll put my PC together and I have the night to myself to play some LoL and give it a good shot.

CoolerMaster Case (http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=25_31_504&products_id=13773)

[ASYLUM101]

Ah cool, that's the case I've had for the past 3 years. Sorta, mine has an Nvidia logo on it and green stuff but it's still the same. It's HUUUUGE though. I want a new case cause this thing is MASSIVE and that kinda annoys me. But it's a great case, lots of airflow, good cooling, space for tons of fans.. I have like 4 fans in mine, not including the CPU fan or the PSU fan.

[Sile]

OFF TOPIC:

I haven't considered how big the case is.. but I'll need the extra room because I'm planning on going SLI soon when funds permit. Getting a bit tight in the case I have with the GTX 280 in it.. so I'm planning on 2x Nvidia 460's atm.. but by the time im ready to upgrade, something else will be out.

http://www.grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?p=22306#post22306

Just made a PC build thread.. take our discussion there hey.

[Harlequin]

Okay with all the Tanks you guys are getting I should get some dps-hero if we want to play together. :D

I wont get a mage though. I think the coolest mages are 6300 IP and this will take a while to collect.

[Sile]

Well been managing to get some practice in today with the free champs.

I think my favs so far are Cho'Gath, Udyr and Taric. Galio was ok too.

Gee LoL is buggy! It's crashed 3 times today.

[Roros]

I have about 400 games played and can't remember it ever crashing. I only have 1 leave and that was from when my ISP kicked me for maintenance.

[Opal Monkey]

That is strange. I can't remember ever having it crash. I've been disconnected a couple of times. Once because of my connection, the other because of something with the LoL servers. But never a crash. The initial client that is built on AIR is less stable, but that's out of the picture once you start a game.

[Sile]

Well one crash happened when I was dead and I was looking in the Item shop. Another crash happened when I Alt Tabbed to check on a build. Another crash happened when I was in the bottom lane just killing creeps. It crashed a 4th time but I can't remember what I was doing.

[ASYLUM101]

Yup, never crashes for me either, and I alt-tab all the time. (and die all the time too lol)

[Sile]

I think I fixed some of the crashing. Running in window mode helped with the Alt Tab thing. Didn't crash tonight. Only reason I wasn't in window mode before was because when I did try it, my mouse cursor would run onto my other screen instead of scrolling the map across. Was annoying. Seems to be fine today. >.>

On the good note, I think I've found my Champ I want to run with for a while. Mordekaiser is awesome! I bought the standard Champion pack because the free champs were getting on my nerves. I had some RP left over and couldn't decide which champ I wanted to buy.. so i watched a whole bunch of youtube clips about Mordekaiser because I thought he looked awesome and his stats were nice.

Turned out to be an awesome choice. Played my first match and we won. Morde has crazy AoE for farming. I levelled faster than everyone and mid game had good money coming in. Just have to watch my over extending which I tend to do because I'm a rambo.. but I can get away with it a little bit with Morde.

Just have to get his item setup down pat and get some levels. Only just worked out how runes work haha.

Ok bed time. Tired as fuck now.

[Roros]

Yeah, kaiser is a crazy pusher. His role in fights is a little odd though since he has a ton of survivability, but doesn't actually have any skills which would relate to a tank/initiator.

[Sile]

Yeah I hear what you're saying. Due to his physical size you would assume he is a tank but has not skills of a tank. He's like a massive battle mage which isn't bad at all.

I was able to handle 2 v 1 on most occasions. I was finding myself against Ash and Veigar most of the time so I was constantly in and out but it was fine. The only trouble I had was being Snared which when Ryze is around was pissing me off.

I was trying to go for HP regen items by the end of the game, not really knowing what I was doing.. Had some success. Morde is such a farming machine, my HP would regen to full in no time, but it would drop reasonably quickly when a champ would target me.. probably because I lacked armour or magic resistance. Still, these are things I'm going to research.

[Sile]

So my 3rd online game went really well! I think all the other were worse than me because quite frankly, I shouldn't be able to do this lol.

Im wrapped though.

[Harlequin]

Sile I added you. My nick is "Basil van Yhun"

[ASYLUM101]

So my 3rd online game went really well! I think all the other were worse than me because quite frankly, I shouldn't be able to do this lol.

Im wrapped though.

Lol you're playing rank 2 and 3 people right? Don't expect much from below rank 10, they are either ridiculously good (twinked accounts, smurfs) or horrendously bad. Not really any middle ground in those ranks, but if you get in a game with smurfs just leave lol it's so embarrassing haha. Pretty good game though!

Yesterday I played a game vs rank 20s with 5/4/34 or something lol, I got SO many assists. (Singed ftw)

PS: Mordekaiser is getting nerfed in the near future. They're making him less tanky and more DPS. Not sure if thats good or bad, cause he's already far too much of both imo.

[Harlequin]

Hm making him dps will be weird with his current passive...

I really think they should rework alot of passives though. Some seem to be ridicolously useless while others seem to be extremely good even in lategame.

[Sile]

well i joined the LoL Australia community last night and jumped into their vent and played with them. They are all L30 obviously, and I'm L6. Because of the level diff, it evens out the team level so i was playing against L19's to about L22-23. Was good, came up against some real tough opponents.

I don't think it's a "nerf".. more like a "rework".. I can back up the DPS thing though, apparently his Mace of Spades is getting a huge buff. Hopefully it won't affect me too much, I don't mind either way.

[Meta-Stick]

Nice to see a couple of you play this game. I'm level 30, and hate/love the game. Pretty much before LoL I played DotA for 5 years, if any of you heard of it. If you want you guys can add me, my name is Meta_Stick, since most games, and sites HATE hyphens unlike this lovable site <3.

I mainly just play Tristana, and Rammus.

[ASYLUM101]

I don't think it's a "nerf".. more like a "rework".. I can back up the DPS thing though, apparently his Mace of Spades is getting a huge buff. Hopefully it won't affect me too much, I don't mind either way.

So have you played him? Did he get nerfed or what? Harley was telling me how OP the nerf was, it doesn't look much like a nerf to me. :)

[Harlequin]

My mainpoint was that the ultimate is quite terrible.^^

Nice to see a pro (aside from Asylum^^) here who is lvl 30.
I got a question. Do you have any tips or tricks for last-hitting aside from "practice"?
I play Nidalee atm and I really got problems with it. Her projectile flies so slow and her dmg is quite low so it is quite hard for me.

[Sile]

So have you played him? Did he get nerfed or what? Harley was telling me how OP the nerf was, it doesn't look much like a nerf to me. :)

Haha.. yeah, played him quite a bit yesterday. Hasn't changed much as far as I can tell by playing him. I'm sure the die-hard mathematicians will say otherwise.

His Mace of Spades (Q) and Children of the Grave (R) do more damage, with (R) doing it's damage slightly differently, but I'm pretty sure I read that it's a bit more now.

I'm sure it's all in the patch notes. I feel more comfortable building him as a DPS now though rather than just a tank/regen build.

Had a crack with Dr Mundo.. came up against a guy who was a machine with him, had like 4k HP and just didn't die. Tried him out, don't think I like him too much. I mean, he's ok and had good lane longevity but I dunno. He's great for chasing though.

[ASYLUM101]

Oh god, I hate Mundo... that crackhead never dies.

[Sile]

Oh god, I hate Mundo... that crackhead never dies.

You know who I hate the most? That timebomb guy! WTF!!?

A guy had like 16 stacks and was owning everyone with that time bomb and you just can't get away from it. Then you have people who run towards you with a bomb on their heads and blow you up!

Frustrating!

[Roros]

Morgana's shield is perfect for the bombs, plenty of time before they explode to cast the shield.
I believe quicksilver sash works on them as well, but I've never tried. It's so rare that I grab QSS in the first place.

[Harlequin]

heh Mundo is such a pain. I mean he throws his stupid Cleaver every 4 seconds for free?! Seriously?
In one game we had Mundo AND Zilean (timebomb-guy) in our lane. We got wasted. :(

Roros: The Slash has like 100 seconds CD. The bomb has like 10?

Sile: I had the feeling that the dmg of the bomb is spread between everything it hits. Dont know for sure though.

[Sile]

heh Mundo is such a pain. I mean he throws his stupid Cleaver every 4 seconds for free?! Seriously?
In one game we had Mundo AND Zilean (timebomb-guy) in our lane. We got wasted. :(

Roros: The Slash has like 100 seconds CD. The bomb has like 10?

Sile: I had the feeling that the dmg of the bomb is spread between everything it hits. Dont know for sure though.

Yeah, but if it only hits one person, then it's single target dmg. If there are multiple things around you and you get a bomb, then the damage is AoE dmg. That's what it seemed like to me.

Oh and I accepted your friend request.. I didnt know who the hell Basil Van Yurhen or whatever was, i just accepted and figured it was someone who I knew from somewhere lol.

[Harlequin]

Yeah, but if it only hits one person, then it's single target dmg. If there are multiple things around you and you get a bomb, then the damage is AoE dmg. That's what it seemed like to me.


So it would actually make sense to be close to as much people/minions as possible. Good to know.


Oh and I accepted your friend request.. I didnt know who the hell Basil Van Yurhen or whatever was, i just accepted and figured it was someone who I knew from somewhere lol.

True but I only saw you online once so far.^^

[Sile]

So it would actually make sense to be close to as much people/minions as possible. Good to know.




True but I only saw you online once so far.^^

Yeah, but if you're too close to your own team mates, they get a bit angry that you're damaging them.. lol.

Our timezones are probably not the best. I'm on almost every night but Thursdays I have an AutoCad class.. /lame

[Opal Monkey]

Yeah, but if you're too close to your own team mates, they get a bit angry that you're damaging them.. lol.
Yep, I can attest to that! Trying to survive myself, and here comes some random teammate straight at me with a bomb over his head :mad:

I always try to go the opposite way from my team and minions when I'm marked, that way even if I have to go heal it's not taking down the entire lane.

[Trulan]

I play it, same name, though not as much lately. As for zilean's time bomb and morgana's black shield, you have to shield before he puts the bomb on you otherwise it won't absorb the damage....which is pretty hard to do. For anyone just starting...expect to be atrocious...my friend and I both were when we started. The key is to stick with it a bit, I did and eventually figured out what I was doing, my friend didn't and now he professes to "hate the stupid game"....he's an idiot. Also, if any lowbies need help, I have a smurf account...with nunu...and generally I can rip the face off the entire other team in those matches.

[Malpheas]

OK, I should be playing this game then? I've heard quite a lot about it..

[Opal Monkey]

OK, I should be playing this game then? I've heard quite a lot about it..
Whoa, hey! Someone in the same timezone (and province!) to have a game with :D

[ASYLUM101]

OK, I should be playing this game then? I've heard quite a lot about it..

Hell yea, its free so it doesn't hurt to try it.

[myrmidon]

where does malph live? and what is the time differences between us?

hey maybe malph can play as malphite!?

[Malpheas]

Um, I'm on your Steam I think, and your brothers as well.

So no biggie; 2 hours, I'm on Mountain Time (GMT -0700)

[yerkyerk]

It's hard to find games in HoN, so I decided to give LoL a try again - after waiting for what seemed like forever with some sort of update, I couldn't start the game anymore, got error messages. Figured the patch corrupted the game, so I uninstalled the game and tried to reinstall again. However, I can't find any link for dl'ing the installer through the official site. When I try to register, I can't because my account name is taken. When I try to login, my account does not exist. I also saw that, after uninstalling the game, still over 2 gb of space was taken up by the game folder, which I had to manually delete...

[Opal Monkey]

Well that sounds pretty messed up. I'll make a few suggestions, even though I don't have a clue what's wrong :undecided: The one thing I can say for sure is that the link to get the client is in the My Account section once you sign in.

I suppose you could always try contacting them (http://support.leagueoflegends.com/anonymous_requests/new) and see if they know what's wrong with your account. Then you could get into your account, re-download the client, and hope it all works!

My install directory is about 1.55 GB, then the directory where the installation files are stored is about 841 MB. I don't think those are needed after installation, but they aren't automatically removed.

I hope things work out, it really is a fun game. If you do get it working, you might want to check out LoL Base (http://www.lolbase.net/). Sometimes it's nice to go back over the stats for a match, but they aren't really stored in-game. They also have a client in the Downloads section that makes uploading the logs a lot easier.

Hmm... I just took a look, if your name on LoL is yerk or yerkyerk, it's not showing up in the search. I suppose you used a different name though?

[yerkyerk]

I do use yerkyerk. But when I try to register a new name, that name's already taken. Guess I have to make another name, kinda sucks, as I use yerkyerk because it's pretty much always available and the only nickname I use. Oh well, I can't be arsed enough to contact support and start corresponding with them. Just register with a new name and hope that works out.

[Harlequin]

Mind that you have to register on the US-Server if you want to play with anyone of us.^^
Sadly you can't switch servers easily.

[yerkyerk]

Ah, well, need an account for the LAN party here..
I reregistered under another name. Couldn't log in to the forums, tried to get a password sent but it said my new account didn't exist. Are forum accounts different from in-game accounts?

Anyway, downloaded the installer, installed it and I could enter with my old account. The game takes some getting used to..

[Harlequin]

hm I think you got some mix ups between american and european servers.^^

Once it is running you will have fun with it...well as soon as you are ingame.

[yerkyerk]

Well, I'll be comparing this to HoN, so I already have some material to compare it with. Anyway, it's all a blur to me now, the UI, the shop seems chaotic, the skills, but I hope that's just because I'm new to the game.

[Harlequin]

Well, I'll be comparing this to HoN, so I already have some material to compare it with. Anyway, it's all a blur to me now, the UI, the shop seems chaotic, the skills, but I hope that's just because I'm new to the game.

It is actually quite simple and easy to understand.^^

[yerkyerk]

Says you. All I see is a bright rainbow blur masked by a bright rainbow overlay :)

[ASYLUM101]

Says you. All I see is a bright rainbow blur masked by a bright rainbow overlay :)

Maybe it's time to fix that monitor. :)

[yerkyerk]

I get that often when I play new games. Not the rainbow brightness, but the blur.

[ASYLUM101]

I see. Well, imo, the gameplay of LoL is better than HoN, and if HoN servers are dying or whatever, I must not be the only one who thinks so.

There's not really much to the game, it's quite basic as far as things go.

There's about 5 types of play styles, but I'm sure you're fairly experienced with that. The only "new" things in LoL that are different from HoN as far as I remember, is 1) ability power - every hero has at least one skill that will scale with ability power, some have all 4. More AP = more damage for spells, which is great. However, more AP on an enemy caster means you need 2) MR, which is another thing I think isn't in HoN (wasn't it just armor?) MR counters magic damage, Armor counters phys, and 3) True Damage is countered by getting more HP (there is no true damage counter, that's the point)

I think that's about it, and the shop is pretty organized for these things. You want life steal? Click attack (since life steal applies on attack) then life steal. Need Mana regen? Click magic -> mana regen. Pots and wards are in the consumable section. The top right is the "recommended" items for your character, but usually they are for noobfriendly builds. Better builds are built by hand.

If you need any advice, just hit me up here or ingame. Asylum101 ingame, as can be expected.

[Malpheas]

I'm Zer0Malpheas in game.

[myrmidon]

I think your the crazy one there yerk those shops are so organized.

[ASYLUM101]

I'm Zer0Malpheas in game.

Game can't find you :( Nor you yerk.

Did you guys register on US servers?

[yerkyerk]

I did not register on US servers specifically.

[ASYLUM101]

Yeah... when you register, if you register as a EU region, you can only play with those who registered with EU. No idea why they do it like this, it's very stupid. You can change the game version fairly easily by modifying a text file to access US servers instead of EU but still...

http://signup.leagueoflegends.com/en/signup/index

Notice how region says "North America" - we had this issue with Harlequin too :(

[Harlequin]

luckily we fixed that before I even started playing. Would have been a pain if I had several champs unlocked and later wanted to switch.^^

btw I dont think that you really can call it an easy way to switch the server if you have to change textfiles.^^
Or at least not comfortable.

[Malpheas]

Alright, my summoner name is Cloro... But I'm not sure which server I'm on.

[ASYLUM101]

btw I dont think that you really can call it an easy way to switch the server if you have to change textfiles.^^
Or at least not comfortable.

...?

How is changing a text file hard? Open it up, highlight what you want to replace ( or delete everything) and paste the new stuff. It's much more comfortable than redownloading the entire 4 gigs or so of the game.

Anyway, I've added you to my friends list Malph... or someone on my server by the name of Cloro.

[yerkyerk]

It's not hard, it's easy, but a nuisance and anything but user friendly. Anyway, I'll be on the EU server for a while (I don't play it much, my second match never got started because there was one guy loading forever, after that it was impossible to get past the loading screen (not a bug on my pc, I'm sure)). I'll at least wait till after the upcoming LAN party to change it. If I'll play it after that...

[Malpheas]

Good grief you can be stubborn, Yerk.

OnT: I'll try it again tonight as I did add you to my friends list at some point earlier this week. I'm a total noob, so we'll see.

[ASYLUM101]

Good grief you can be stubborn, Yerk.


It's the whole "HoN is superior to LoL because LoL is for kids" mentality, which I have no idea where that derives from, I guess the 3 or 4 cutesy heroes and the colors. Which makes no sense to me, iirc Yerk wasn't complaining about the rainbows in D3.

[Skellt]

Never tried League of legends... how does it fare against DotA on Wc3 and Soits on SC2

I played DotA like CRAZY.. was alot of fun..
Feels like Soits is a bit lacking but then again, it is still fairly new

[yerkyerk]

It's the whole "HoN is superior to LoL because LoL is for kids" mentality, which I have no idea where that derives from, I guess the 3 or 4 cutesy heroes and the colors. Which makes no sense to me, iirc Yerk wasn't complaining about the rainbows in D3.

Meh, I see that same LoL vs HoN mentality with you, you're just on the other party :)
It's just that I have both games to compare, and they're in a very specific subgenre. Ofcourse I'll start comparing them.

[ASYLUM101]

Never tried League of legends... how does it fare against DotA on Wc3 and Soits on SC2

I played DotA like CRAZY.. was alot of fun..
Feels like Soits is a bit lacking but then again, it is still fairly new

Put it this way, LoL is a game, SOITS (whatever that is) and DotA are maps, which do you think is going to be "better"?

Meh, I see that same LoL vs HoN mentality with you, you're just on the other party
It's just that I have both games to compare, and they're in a very specific subgenre. Ofcourse I'll start comparing them.

If you say so, but you've been saying you were gonna compare them for a looong time now and then started a thread just making generalizations about LoL.

[Skellt]

Put it this way, LoL is a game, SOITS (whatever that is) and DotA are maps, which do you think is going to be "better"?


True
(SotiS is a DotA like map for SC2)
but my point was.. Dota took a LONG time to be balanced, and still there are some unbalanced heroes and whatnot.

I know Icefrog is making LoL but, i was wondering in that aspect how is it, is there for instance some things that feel overpowered or?

because i really dont care all that much about graphics and whatnot, i just want to know that if a player is better than another, he can beat the guy potentially with any hero

[yerkyerk]

Icefrog is making DotA 2 actually, LoL was codeveloped by Guinsoo.
And Asylum, I don't just say so, I can point it out in I think every sentence you mention both LoL and HoN together :)

[Skellt]

O really DotA 2..
Nice nice, those games are a decent time killer, just looking for some new stuff because im kinda out of games to play really haha

[myrmidon]

so i played a free trial of HON and i do say. not to just quote yerk. but THE SHOPS UNORGANIZED! i like lol's graphic's better. EVERYTHING! is just a rip off from the original. which i did not like at all. and i like the hero's better in lol. the only thing that i can say good job for is the water effects.:mad:

[yerkyerk]

Well, HoN is a total ripoff ofcourse, heh. They're inbreeding with the DotA community and made a very close copy, whereas LoL made something a bit different. I still gotta play LoL more to get a good picture of it, but it's hard to get into when I can play Hon instead :)

The 10 trial games should give you an idea of what's going on and if you like the concept, but I'm gonna go ahead and say you need a couple of hundred(!) games to really get an idea of what's what. Not for the shop (I can find my way around a HoN shop a lot better and can find everything easily there, but that's ofcourse at least partially due to experience with it), but you have to memorize every hero, learn to play a lot of them (requires a dozen games at least for me to get a feeling for a new hero, although sometimes I get it at once) and have a lot of somewhat weird mechanics to learn. I thought that pulling creeps in a 3 second window was hard, now I do it all the time. Double pulling, especially with cutting down trees though, is something I can't do yet. There's probably a bunch of stuff I don't even know about yet.

[Harlequin]

What I really like about LoL is that you can't deny Creeps. In a noob-game (it was in the game-name!!) I had to go middle and I didn't get a single creepkill. This was frustrating and stupid and of course my teammates helped me ("WTF R U DOING?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!ß1ß1ß1)...

There are alot of idiots and trolls and whatnot in LoL but at least people CAN be friendly.

[yerkyerk]

I'm sorry to report that not only do I appear to like it, but my friends do too, so I'll be stuck on Europe mostly. Is anyone still playing it? Topic has been silent for a while...

[ASYLUM101]

Yep, all who said they were playing still in fact do play, exception of Malpheas cause he still hasn't messaged me about it.

[yerkyerk]

Nice. Btw, not sure if you noticed, but apparantly you can get Tristana for free (plus a free skin) if you become a fan of LoL on facebook. I thought it was only the skin (as the ad on their site says), so I was curious to know what happened. I also got the hero. Since the only reason I have facebook is because I wanted to apply for a beta for another game, I don't mind :)

Is there any reason why some heroes are more expensive than others or is it purely a marketing ploy?
I guess I'm just going to unlock the cheapest heroes for now, so I can at least participate in some less random line-up.

[Malpheas]

Ah. I haven't had the motivation to play anything and do anything except sleep these last few days (almost three weeks..). Man, must I be tired.

[Opal Monkey]

Ah. I haven't had the motivation to play anything and do anything except sleep these last few days (almost three weeks..). Man, must I be tired.
Must be the Alberta winter... I've been sleeping a lot lately too.

[Harlequin]

Yep we are still playing though the time-gap makes it a bit hard to play together.

[yerkyerk]

Is there any use in getting runes early? I'm planning to wait till lvl20 and purchase the greater runes. I'm stomping in the bracket I'm playing in even when I play a hero for the first time, so I don't think I really need 'em yet :/

Also, do champions ever got on sale with IP, or just RP?

[Roros]

The matchmaking in LoL is a lot more noticable if you come from HoN, since when first starting out it'll put you with people who have probably never played a dota game before, instead of joining a lobby called "noobs only!" with stacked smurfs.

Sales are just for RP. And yeah, waiting until the final tier runes isn't a bad idea. I still grabbed some of those I wanted the most (mana regen, since I like to spam abilities) but didn't fill out my book just for the sake of it.

The rune combiner is actually very cash efficient to use if you input 5 cheap runes to make a higher tier one, but the problem is of course that you have no control over what rune to get. Getting Tier3 for way below it's normal cost is moot if you get one you'll never use like "time spent dead" or something.

[yerkyerk]

Yea, the HoN MM system sucked balls - it allowed players to set their own rating to a degree. Turns out that noobs overrate themself and pro's like to stomp, so out goes any form of balance :/
Well, at least there aren't many leavers in HoN..
Now they disabled matchmaking entirely, there should be a decent one out soon. We'll see. Anyway, gaming with friends > gaming alone, so I might just stick to LoL for a while.

Heh, getting time spent dead runes and stuff just seems like you're prepared to postpone an inevitable loss, just stretching it longer. I didn't know runes could be upgraded, Imma read into that. Thanks for the tip.

[Harlequin]

Is there any use in getting runes early? I'm planning to wait till lvl20 and purchase the greater runes. I'm stomping in the bracket I'm playing in even when I play a hero for the first time, so I don't think I really need 'em yet :/

Also, do champions ever got on sale with IP, or just RP?

I didnt get runes before lie level 20 mainly because I wasn't sure what heroes I want to stick to. T3 runes can be very expensive (up to 2000ip) so I am still a bit hesitant and like to buy champions instead. :P

They can give you the edge in higher skill-levels but normally you will not need them.

[Opal Monkey]

They can give you the edge in higher skill-levels but normally you will not need them.

Also with certain characters they are almost required to make things work. Say with Tryndamere, my personal favorite. He works largely on critical strikes but has a very hard time early game without crit chance runes which means less gold. Less gold = less crit chance items, then round a round it goes.

On the other hand, if you stock a rune page with plenty of crit chance runes, he can really do quite well in the early game.

[yerkyerk]

Hm, crit chances are too unreliable for me. You want to lasthit creeps early on, crits won't really help you with that.

I guess I prefer %movement speed boni. They're generally useful on all heroes. I like mobility and think it's key to victory :)

[Harlequin]

Hm, crit chances are too unreliable for me. You want to lasthit creeps early on, crits won't really help you with that.

I guess I prefer %movement speed boni. They're generally useful on all heroes. I like mobility and think it's key to victory :)

Tryn has alot of critchance together with runes and the proper build even earlygame so it becomes reliable. His passive increases the critchance if is lower health.

[ASYLUM101]

Other champs like Veigar and Singed are reliant on mana regen runes. Both of these champs have a ridiculously low mana pool with enormous mana costs, having no mana regen really sucks for you. I think base mana regen on singed is like 1 mana per 5 secs, veigar is much better, like 5/5 base. And knowing when to use your skills isn't an option, because if veigar saves his skills, he won't be of any use end game. He needs to spam his Q to build up his power for end game, and each cast costs like 80 mana. Not to mention if his lane mate is in trouble, or even himself, he needs to cast his E which is another 100 mana. Good thing is both of these champs have mana regen skills, Veigar has a passive that regens like .5% of his mana per 1% missing, and Singed's ultimate gives him an all around buff, rank 1 gives something like 25 to all of his stats, and 25/5 mana regen and health regen.

And now that I'm rank 30 and have tons of IP to spend on Runes, I've got 3 HP quints which make my starting HP as a tank around 650-800, depending on the character and my starting item. Fighting a tank with 750 hp vs one with 515 (my old starting hp without runes or masteries) makes a huuuuge difference.

[Roros]

I often play support hybrids which means I usually have some form of heal. Having a lot of mana regen early/mid game is a big deal to me since it means I can correct any mistakes me and my lanemate does by being able to heal whenever it's off cooldown.

It's definitely noticable to me when I run mana regen per level runes and masteries. It's often the difference between being able to break even on mana and running dry about 5 minutes after spawning.

[The Ghoat]

I play it too!!!!!!!!!!! yay my ingame name is...wait for it...! The Ghoat !

[yerkyerk]

Ugh.. perhaps I should post this in the rant section, but since it's about LoL, might as well post it here.

What's wrong with the game? Not only do I get weird bugs (I lost control of my hero several times while the game continued), but this game makes it really hard to play with friends. We wanted to play with the 5 of us together, since we were all online. But, just like last week when we were trying to play with 5, the LoL explorer bugged out, taking an extremely long time to sent invites and load players into a game, if at all, and ultimately failing to put the players in the game...

So we're all 5 waiting for almost an hour to play together, but the game refuses to let us. So incredibly annoying... by far the biggest reason I wanted to play this game over HoN was because I could play it with friends (and it's really fun (though sometimes frustrating) to play with friends), but this is just messed up man.

[ASYLUM101]

Sometimes the client is just really glitchy/picky with various people. Sometimes when we play with OpalMonkey, it doesn't let me start the game until he reconnects like 5 times or something.

[Harlequin]

hm for the last weeks that I played with my friends I didnt have any problem at all.
I know that doesnt help you but I wanted to post it here because we dont want people think that it is like that for everyone. :P

[myrmidon]

i havent even seen you on in weeks harl.

[Harlequin]

That is because I am at my parent's place right now.
I only got my macbook and can't play LoL on it.
I will be back beginning of january. :)

[Harlequin]

Just now that game was so awesome. Syl and Coyl crashed and it was 3v5.
The game took 35 minutes and we were about even in terms of kills.
Those guys played so terrible that I thought we were against lvl10 or something. Actually everyone of them was level 30 with wins ranging from 170 to 540.
Ofc they wrote gg at the end of the game. -.-

[ASYLUM101]

UGH. SO GAY. Freaking modem just conked out for about 4 hours :( Called my internet company to see if it was a connectivity issue on their part, maybe a down-serviced area (we had storms a while ago)... no, of course not, they're never liable for that (pfft, always) so they tell me they're gonna send a rep to check it out on Saturday....

I said, screw it, might as well work on it myself. Went into the modem settings, reset everyyything, and let it recalculate the crap it has to recalculate. It said that it would take 30 mins... it actually took around 3 hours, but my net is back up, for now, so lets see how well my fix worked! haha

But man that sucks, we would have owned them so hard. :(

lol @ tank panth

[Harlequin]

Yeah I expected something like that. They wanted to report you but I told them that you crashed. Especially funny since Coyl called it. :P

That build worked suprisingly well. We all could take them on 2v3 and 3v4. Panth could do 1v2 vs Rammus and Kat and survive.

[ASYLUM101]

Yeah, I saw it coming too, I told my bro we shouldn't be playing since I noticed we've been getting lag spikes and we did get disconnected for 30 mins or so while we weren't playing but he insisted on playing another lol

[myrmidon]

ummm you said that when the game was loading before it started loading you said "its 10:30 you should go to bed, you got school tomorrow" then i said "just one more"

and supposily pantheon is supposed to get tank items now.

[Harlequin]

and supposily pantheon is supposed to get tank items now.

I would give it a shot. :P

[myrmidon]

yeah maybe ill follow that guys build see if i like it

but he still got alot of death's so either he sucked or pantheon is still a feeder with that build.

I forgot subshape plays this looking at the old post. do you still play subshape? whats your name!? i think we should be your level now! enless your above lvl 30 lol

[yerkyerk]

Can anyone seriously tell me they have little technical problems with LoL? The game itself seems to be fine, but the adobe client, man, it's ridiculously buggy. I can often see only half my friends online, while I know others are online. The chat is often bugged out, getting a game started with friends often results in errors that will result in us not being able to play together, the server is out a lot of times (not just on patch day, 3 times a week for several hours a time seems to be an average).
These same bugs all happen to all my friends, so I conclude it's not on my side. Although, if you want to play with friends, you have to face at least twice as many bugs..

While I know that everyone's looking forward to have buggy third party programs installed to play a game, can't they just get rid of Adobe? It makes the game experience kinda aggravating.

[ASYLUM101]

Nah I haven't had any issues in a while and i connect with dudes worldwide

[yerkyerk]

Lol, than you either must be very lucky, or it's just the EU servers being shite.

Had to wait for another hour with 2 friends before we could get started and currently the servers are busy, so can't log in.

[ASYLUM101]

Lol, than you either must be very lucky, or it's just the EU servers being shite.

Had to wait for another hour with 2 friends before we could get started and currently the servers are busy, so can't log in.

I'm gonna go with the EU servers being crap, because like I said, I've been playing on these servers for a while now, about 3-4 hours daily at most and I haven't had any issues with seeing my friends for more than a minute after I login. When I try playing, the servers are up all day. Usually around 12-1 they are fine, then I go to work, do my thing, by the time I get back on, around 6/7-12, they're still up and fine. Getting a game started has only ever been an issue like twice, and that was something with OpalMonkey I think (no idea, we couldn't start the game cause of him for like 5 mins).

I agree though, that adobe air sucks. I know it USED to be WAYYYY glitchy and slow, but it's ALOT better. There used to be like a 5 second delay on each keystroke, so chatting was almost impossible.

They are beta testing a new client though, maybe you wanna look into it.

[yerkyerk]

That sounds interesting. How do you know you can see all your friends, btw? I mean, I know when my rl friends are online because I ask them through Steam, the other players from my friendlist though, I have no idea wether they're on- or offline. Even when they're talking to me in LoL, they still appear as offline. It's not until they finish a game or create a game that I see them online. I'm guessing it's an adobe errror.

On the bright side, I've recently reached lvl30 :)
Now to save for something other than caster runes :(

[ASYLUM101]

Try uninstalling/reinstalling adobe air, doubtful that it will do something but who knows with Windows.

I know I can see all my friends cause I have like 15-20 guys online at all times, and the other guys who AREN'T online haven't been online in months. (and the next time I see them login, they're still rank 10, that says they haven't played, not that I haven't been able to see them.)

[myrmidon]

OH NOS DONT UNINSTALL AIR! we needs it!

[yerkyerk]

Lol, again I had so many bugs and issues with the client since my last post on it. I already installed the adobe air client from the official website a few weeks ago, but the bugs didn't diminish because of it. Anyway, enough ranting about that infernal system.

Anyone got tips for Blitzcrank? I bought the hero because I enjoyed humming "I am Iron Man!" while walking around with the piece of junkyard trash. It worked well when I started out with it, but I've noticed that the hero is a bit lackluster early game. The grab is too unreliable to depend upon (there's too much of a delay on the shot if you want to get moving victims in). Any good player will be able to avoid it by staying behind creeps or simple sidestepping. Besides, even when I can pull someone in, the early game damage on my skills is so low I have more to fear from the one I pull in than they have from me. The other skills scale, they're not really good either for early game. Once I get to level 6 the hurting is over and I can finally manage to do some good damage and perhaps even get some skills. Before that, I'm a joke in laning phase.

Midgame is really fun with Blitz, as than it's much easier to grab unsuspecting victims through walls, from bushes and what not. Blitz can turn the game around by than with some good grabs. Lategame it becomes harder again, as the hostile squishies are usually protected by tanks walking in front of them 24/7, waiting to get hooked. And leaving your friendly squishies to ambush enemies will often result in the demise of your poor squishy teammates. But it's still manageable.

[kochujang]

In the early game I try to grab enemies to tower and power fist them whenever I have the opportunity. If a champion is a bit hurt, you can ambush him from the brush, auto-attack them once, power fist, auto-attack until they run and then use grab as a finisher. I would not use grab for much else in the early game.

[yerkyerk]

Myeah, but good opponents won't allow you to pull them in near your tower. Perhaps I should try that grab+flash trick once.. seems like fun. Especially with Fortify ^^

You get the occasional nooblane where you can dominate, but against fairly decent players I just can't do much.. well, get a few creepkills and sit it out till level 6. But that's also easy farm for my opponents, while I hardly get any farm at all.

[Roros]

Blitz's grab is one of those things that can be useful even by not using it. Since most players will try to stay out of it's range or hide from it, you can herd them around and even keep them away from your lane alltogether, though it might be something you're familiar with from HoN.

Blitz and bushes make a nice combo at times, especially if you have a partner with some type of root or stun. Most people don't react in time if a fist flies out of the shrubs, at least at medium range.

[yerkyerk]

Blitz and bushes make a nice combo at times, especially if you have a partner with some type of root or stun. Most people don't react in time if a fist flies out of the shrubs, at least at medium range.

Mostly it's my teammates not reacting in time when I pull someone in from a shrub though, so I tend to not do that anymore unless I know I have a competent, attention-paying teammate. But usually it goes like this; I pull someone in, they are hardly damage by the pull. The stun wears off fast and despite a follow up by powerfist (also referred to as powerfisting, as I lovingly call it) they're still hardly damaged. As opposed to me, the enemy team often has heroes with strong nukes, so even though I succesfully initiated, they nuke me down - and even if my teammate responds timely, than it's 2 nukes from them vs 1.5 of mine. And my "nuke" is on a very long cooldown. It also eats up all the mana for my manashield.

[ASYLUM101]

Grab/fist combo is not a nuke unless you build straight up AP or something. Blitz is an offtank/initiator at best, and the only real way to play with him is by laning with a good friend or someone you know can read you or you can communicate with via voicechat.

I play Singed, Urgot, Alistar... good placement heroes who need to stick their necks out to save allies/initiate, and the only real way to ensure kills is by making sure your allies know what to do when you run ahead and knock some guy back. Most of the time it works, sometimes it doesn't and when it doesn't... I'm raging hard at my idiot team.

[yerkyerk]

I do build AP on everything (don't have money for other runes yet, gotta try AP Yi soon, should be fun). Even than I play him as initiator/offtank. Blitz only becomes an initiator/offtank after the laning phase - and there I don't have problems with (although I sometimes hang my head in shame when a tank jumps into my grab and than my whole team fires every single nuke at the tank...).

It's really the laning phase where he feels rather underpowered.

[Sile]

Morde was my fav. So awesome early and mid game and wasn't too bad end game. Stole so much cash from people early on with his AoE.

[yerkyerk]

Mordekaiser seems like fun. First I gotta save up for some tank and dps runes though. Mana regen runes on Morde feels like such a waste.

Also, I tried out AP Master Yi. Pretty fun; although you do become somewhat pointless after you use your q skill. The powerhealing with massive AP is also fun. Last game I tanked a tower (with basic health and little in the way of armor), it shot me down to half health pretty fast. So, I started to heal. Than Katarina jumped in to ulti me, but I could easily outheal both Kat's ulti and the tower damage. It was pretty fun to see.

[yerkyerk]

Well, there's official confirmation for the EU choppiness; http://eu.leagueoflegends.com/news/recent-issues-chat-stability
http://eu.leagueoflegends.com/news/10-win-ip-boost-europe

Although there wasn't really a reason to doubt it for me, all my friends have been having these annoying issues all the time. Had a LAN party this weekend and the moment we tried LoL the problems began. Still, we had fun playing it later on :)

[ASYLUM101]

And people say RIOT doesn't give their fans anything for free...

[Skellt]

How's LoL in breif.. dont feel like reading 11 pages haha im lazzzzy

i've heard it's DotA... but easy mode -_-

i played ALOT of DotA and.. well i was rather addicted to it so

[ASYLUM101]

If you liked DotA, you'll like LoL.

It's MUCH better than DotA. Well organized, easy to pickup, FREE (initially), easy to look at (compared to dota lmao), etc.

[yerkyerk]

I think DotA on easy mode is a fairly accurate description. If you're looking for a DotA game that plays like DotA, you should be looking at HoN.

However, you might like LoL more because it's more casual. There's no things as height juking, no creeppulling, stacking, animation cancelling (actually, that one might just be in), basically, all that intentional glitchy stuff was removed and the game was simplified because of it. This has the effect on the playerbase that it's not as tryhard, which makes for a less inflammatory community, but less adept players overall.
Despite having removed the glitches, the game client has been extremely buggy (well, at least for me). I still play the game despite all the client bugs (the game itself isn't so buggy, the adobe client they use is though), so that's got to say something for the game.

And LoL is free, so you can try that and loose nothing :)
Unlike some people like to claim though, you can get a significant advantage by paying. It allows you to spend all your (boosted) IP on runes instead of heroes and it allows you to get a seven page runebook. It also allows you to get any heroes you want earlier, giving you an edge over players who still have to unlock stuff.

[Skellt]

i'm not too fond of getting benefits if you pay :O

but yeah i played dota like a madman, and i was rather damn good at it, and one day i stopped suddently.. dont know why haha, and ive been left with that craving of wanting more.

DotA was fun high end because of creep deny, anim cancel and all that that would spread you apart from other players, thats what i found most intresting actually, that given the same exact game, you are able to acheive higher goals with practice and crap... shit i,d play DotA like 4h a day so yeah..

I heard they are coming out with DotA 2 made by icefrog for valve so... im def intrested in that one!

[yerkyerk]

Well, the bonus you get for paying isn't that big and most things that affect gameplay (except for the 7 page runebook, which allows you to customize your hero better than a 3 page one) can be unlocked eventually by playing. But as you know, it's all about the small advantages, you can snowball with them. It takes quite a lot of games before you've unlocked everything you need.

Heroes of Newerth offers everything DotA offered (well, not as much heroes but they're working on that), it's basically the same game with a bunch of updated features and some changes in the hero line-up. I have a bunch of trial runs if you want to try that game.

LoL is free and it's very decent, so on that account it's definitely worth trying. There's a number of Grim Dawn members playing as well.

[SHODANFreeman]

i'm not too fond of getting benefits if you pay :O

Well, they are a business. :p

Plus you literally don't ever have to pay for anything other than skins, unless you want to. Champions and runes can both be unlocked simply by playing matches. I would recommend buying the retail game, the champions bundle or the digital collector's edition, however, as they unlock a ton of champions for very cheap. :)

On a side note, why hasn't co-op vs AI launched yet?! :(

[ASYLUM101]

On a side note, why hasn't co-op vs AI launched yet?!

Dunno, they said it was out, but it's not! :P


And Skelly, (I like Skelly better than Skellt, it looks like a typo but cutesy :D) though it is pay for more content kind of thing, you get no advantages other than a champ you want to play with, a custom skin, or a rune page (with no runes), everything else has to be obtained through normal play.

And I think the only way you can consider it easy-mode DotA, is because it wasn't made in a low-tech, pos environment - not a game designed around an engine but rather an engine was designed for the game.

[yerkyerk]

And Skelly, (I like Skelly better than Skellt, it looks like a typo but cutesy :D) though it is pay for more content kind of thing, you get no advantages other than a champ you want to play with, a custom skin, or a rune page (with no runes), everything else has to be obtained through normal play.
As I said, buy an IP boost and use all your IP solely for buying runes. I've spent I think 20.000 IP on heroes before I completed my first rune page. And 7 rune pages is definitely an unfair advantage over 3. It's not as bad as "real" pay-to-win games, but paying real money can easily give you a significant boost over other new players and the 7 page runebook will give a permanent advantage over people who decide not to buy it.

I now finally have a full runepage, but still need two more if I want to play proper ad and tank heroes.

One other big difference between HoN and LoL is that LoL gives the player much more information on what's going on and provides better tutorials (well, there's also a lot less to learn). LoL shows you what hero killed you, up to 2 assists, with what attacks and how much damage they did. It also shows you the range and mostly workings of abilities.
LoL is less focused on a single man to carry the team to victory. In endgame, LoL heroes can all still have some impact. In HoN, and I assume DotA, support players loose a lot of significance mid to lategame due to carries getting BKB.
The modding scene in HoN is much bigger. There's mods for a lot of aspects in the game. HoN allows all players to start out at even foot, there's no runes or masteries. And the store serves solely for visual fluffy stuff and it can all be unlocked by just playing the game.

Personally, I think HoN is the better game of the two, but the inflammatory community, the intentional glitchy gameplay mechanics and having no friends to play it with made me switch to LoL.

[SHODANFreeman]

I don't think the rune pages are that important to buy, at least not until well after you hit level 30. They don't give you anything other than the ability to have more specs ready on a moment's notice, they have no tangible effect on the game itself.

[yerkyerk]

They allow you to adapt better. If you're playing in a 5 man premade team it doesn't matter other than convenience, you can respec your runes outside of the game. If you're playing solo however, you have much less flexibility.

[Skellt]

well in dota for instance, you had penality for dying, for instance, you'd lose about 300gold plus per death, scales per level, but teaches you to be aware of your surroundings.

And gold was important, you'd get 1 per seconds for items that would be worth 10 000 total *6 slots kind of... and a creep kill would give about 50, a hero 200+ depending on level and the killing streak he's been on.

so if you just kept on dying, well too bad for you.

Creep pulling, blocking and all that fun stuff

Oh and Skellt is not a typo, skelly sounds girly haha, but call me as you wish dont really care :P

[SHODANFreeman]

They allow you to adapt better. If you're playing in a 5 man team it doesn't matter other than convenience, you can respec your runes outside of the game. If you're playing solo however, you have much less flexibility.

Right, but with the 3 rune pages you start with, you can still have plenty of pages to be at least reasonably adaptable solo, and you can buy rune pages with IP, they are just expensive. :p

[ASYLUM101]

Oh and Skellt is not a typo, skelly sounds girly haha, but call me as you wish dont really care :P

I was saying Skelly was a typo of Skellt, and I like Skelly better. :)

[Skellt]

oh haha fair enough then, skelly for you it shall be!

[yerkyerk]

Right, but with the 3 rune pages you start with, you can still have plenty of pages to be at least reasonably adaptable solo, and you can buy rune pages with IP, they are just expensive. :p
Ah yea, my bad. So yes, you can unlock everything that has an impact on the gameplay by playing. You can get a good headstart by buying stuff. What bugs me most about the shop is that a skin costs more than 5 bucks. If it was 25 cents, I might have bought a bunch, but.. myeah. Not gonna buy anything for those prices :)

Anyway, you don't loose gold on dying and the gold tick is still there. Runes are removed, instead you can get fixed buffs by killing jungle monsters that spawn every 5 minutes.

Denying has also been removed, so there's less lane control. Also, abilities in LoL are quite spammable even at lvl1, in HoN you really need to be conservative with your mana.

Well, despite these games being in the same subgenre, there's really a lot of gameplay differences between the two. You can check them out both. PM me if you want to try out HoN and I'll sent a trial to your mail.

[Skellt]

my friend already sent me one haha :P i'm looking foward DotA two though, made by icefrong (maker of DotA) though i might check those out, just reading this tealls me i'll pretty much enjoy HoN better but still!

[ASYLUM101]

my friend already sent me one haha :P i'm looking foward DotA two though, made by icefrong (maker of DotA) though i might check those out, just reading this tealls me i'll pretty much enjoy HoN better but still!

Guinsoo is part of the LoL DEV team, and iirc he was an important part of DotA for a while... just fyi.

[SHODANFreeman]

my friend already sent me one haha :P i'm looking foward DotA two though, made by icefrong (maker of DotA) though i might check those out, just reading this tealls me i'll pretty much enjoy HoN better but still!

Technically he wasn't the maker, he just maintained it after a while.

[yerkyerk]

Iirc, Guinsoo was the creator of DotA Allstars (which is commonly referred to as DotA). It was a modification of the real DotA, which was made by someone else (Eul). Icefrog than took over DotA Allstars and popularized it.
There's really not much info on DotA 2 though. It might be a total failure for all we know. Although, they're probably gonna stick close to the original DotA. It'll probably be even more of a carbon copy than HoN.

The community had a much bigger impact than I thought though. HoN is one giant ragefest, you'll find 1-2 ragers on average on every game in your team. They usually start verbally harassing one of their teammates in the picking screen. It's no fun playing alone in there. LoL is much more relaxed. You still meet douchebags now and than, but they're much rarer.

[Skellt]

yeah haha dont worry i know all about dota history, i have wc3 since it came out, and i was only playing custom games, so yeah...

Icefrog isnt the maker sure, but he made it popular so hes got my respect and my best wishes for his DotA 2 because i might be one of those playing :P

[ASYLUM101]

It's no fun playing alone in there. LoL is much more relaxed. You still meet douchebags now and than, but they're much rarer.


This is why I play LoL.

Not to mention HoN has voice chat supported, meaning the raging is verbal (for real, not textual) so it's SUPER annoying. A few games of that crap and I promptly decided HoN will never see my cash.

[yerkyerk]

Actually, I hardly ever heard anyone rage over voice chat in HoN. I think there's a psychological barrier, especially if they hear people talk back. I know it happens, but I've not seen much of it. Ofcourse, ignoring them cuts off the voicechat. I found that I have much better games when I mute/ignore/banlist people once they've shown the first sign of rage (which is either "..." "omg" or something similar at the picking screen). A practice I've also decided to use with LoL.

Anyway, voice chat is a huge feature for HoN, I hope they implement it in LoL soon.

[myrmidon]

voice chat in lol will be the day i have to stop playing it. if you want to chat use ts, vent w/e just not the game itself

[ASYLUM101]

voice chat in lol will be the day i have to stop playing it. if you want to chat use ts, vent w/e just not the game itself

Pretty much. Why strain the game more than it needs to be? It's not like the LoL servers aren't already acting up as it is...

[kochujang]

This week I had my first round of jungling ever. I am only level 25 and my runes suck, so I haven't really had an optimal setup before (and I think Warwick is a boring hero). I tried with Amumu and it was quite fun roaming around, ganking the unsuspected. I am not particularly good (use the ancient golem->Wolf->Wraith->Lizard->Golems->Blue pill route) and yesterday I was only on 40 HP when TP'ing back. I guess I need to get better runes soon, but I am such a hoarder of IP so I will probably wait for lvl 30 until I fill up an entire rune page. Still undecided what kind of runes I should get, but junglers are probably the ones which are most dependent on a good setup. I also tried Cho'Gath and Rammus in custom games, but I feel that my runes/masteries are not optimal enough for that yet.

Btw. how long have you been playing LoL? I started in November and picked Amumu as my first hero, since he was chronologically the first pick, haha (next week was Akali, see a pattern there?). That was 16 weeks ago, and I am still not level 30. How often do you people play and how fast do you reach level 30?

[Roros]

heh I tried jungling with Kayle the other day. It wasn't optimal, but it worked surprisingly well if the solo laner could benefit from a heal every now and then when I could stop by.

We won that round and I had a decent amount of kills and no deaths, but I felt it was more due to the enemy team being unlucky.

[Opal Monkey]

<snip>I tried with Amumu and it was quite fun roaming around, ganking the unsuspected. I am not particularly good (use the ancient golem->Wolf->Wraith->Lizard->Golems->Blue pill route) and yesterday I was only on 40 HP when TP'ing back.<snip>

Haha, that's the same thing I've been doing the last while. I use the same path. Started out before the last patch and even with good runes I could never quite get the last two golems. Since the last patch Amumu an even better jungler, but I'm still pretty low on HP by the time I finish my first round. He's sure good at ganks, if you can land the bandage toss, eh :D


Btw. how long have you been playing LoL? I started in November and picked Amumu as my first hero, since he was chronologically the first pick, haha (next week was Akali, see a pattern there?). That was 16 weeks ago, and I am still not level 30. How often do you people play and how fast do you reach level 30?

Not sure, but I think I started playing about 19 weeks ago. I just got to level 30 maybe 2 or 3 weeks ago. Then again, I play on a pretty regular basis, and played way more custom games than I should have early on. I hit level 30 on my 100th win (about my 185th game including losses). Most people are closer to 150 wins by the time they hit level 30!


One thing I've been curious about is what kind of spread most people have between wins and losses in normal games? I seem to hold about 15 wins ahead of my losses. Even when I go on a loosing streak it doesn't drop me down to even, then I go on another winning streak and hit almost 20 wins ahead.

[kochujang]

Haha, that's the same thing I've been doing the last while. I use the same path. Started out before the last patch and even with good runes I could never quite get the last two golems. Since the last patch Amumu an even better jungler, but I'm still pretty low on HP by the time I finish my first round. He's sure good at ganks, if you can land the bandage toss, eh :D

I just stumbled over a jungling trick. You get the mid (preferably range) to take one shot at the golem and walk back to his lane. You now have 3-4 free hits until the golem reaches his leach, which should save some HP. Mid does not lose any XP or gold. Gotta try this next time I play. Hopefully my team-mates are co-operative.


One thing I've been curious about is what kind of spread most people have between wins and losses in normal games? I seem to hold about 15 wins ahead of my losses. Even when I go on a loosing streak it doesn't drop me down to even, then I go on another winning streak and hit almost 20 wins ahead.
I'm not sure, but I believe about break even. I will check later.

[Opal Monkey]

I just stumbled over a jungling trick. You get the mid (preferably range) to take one shot at the golem and walk back to his lane. You now have 3-4 free hits until the golem reaches his leach, which should save some HP. Mid does not lose any XP or gold. Gotta try this next time I play. Hopefully my team-mates are co-operative.
One guy asked me if he should do that. I think it's called "pulling" or something? I prefer that they just give me good coverage to make sure the other team isn't going to try and take me down, and if there is a jungler on the other team, try and keep him from taking the lizard side of our jungle.

I can see how it could be useful if you don't have health qints since it could be a little hairy without them. If you don't have those they should be on the top of your list since they are useful on most champions. 1025 IP each is not easy to part with though!

Just curious, what items do you (or anyone else here that uses Amumu) build? I always end up getting a Chalice of Harmony at some point because I hate burning all my mana on Despair and having to go back to base. Man, I love maxing Despair early on and chasing down tanks with a pool of tears :p