They can't put in on the disc?

[Opal Monkey]

I was glad to hear a GOTY version of Borderlands is being released. I've been debating getting some of the DLC packs now that I have glorious high-speed, but that looming 30GB monthly limit, and several others using the connection kept me from doing it.

I thought "Hey, this is perfect! Another month and I can just trade in my pristine copy of Borderlands. $50 - trade-in for the PC version versus $40 for all 4 DLC packs, no download, and I can get it in one box for about the same price!"

Yeah, well... judging by this (http://pc.ign.com/articles/111/1116888p1.html): The new edition, available on Oct. 12, includes all four announced downloadable add-ons: The Zombie Island of Dr. Ned, Mad Moxxi's Underdome Riot, The Secret Armory of General Knoxx, and Claptrap's New Robot Revolution. These will be accessible via download tokens included with the game. That ain't happening.

What?! I don't do a double-read very often... but this required it! ... Yup, I read it right the first time. So, did they just have extra discs laying around from the original production run? Didn't feel like including an extra disc to fit it all on? ... The person that decided to make the GOTY edition was a Badass Psyco (http://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/Psycho#Badass_Psycho)? What?

I suppose I'll just get the DLC one by one, here and there when limits allow. Anyone know which would be the best to get first? I'm thinking The Secret Armory of General Knoxx, since it boosts the level cap. Don't know what the 4th will have in it though?

Either that, or does anyone have a reason I should get the GOTY? It still seems like an okay idea, even just for the "complete and comprehensive map". :undecided:


Hmm... that doesn't seem ranty enough. This oughtta do it!
:furious: *Waving fist* :furious: *Throwing crystal vase* :furious:

[yerkyerk]

Heh, sorry dude, I feel for you.

General Knoxx's Underdome is easily the most content rich. Zombie Island has a lot of content too - Mad Maxxi's underdome is really something you want to play with friends (and if you have friends you can just copy their Steam Borderlands files - if you do so and than download Borderlands through your own Steam account, it'll be in in no time). The problem with Knoxx's Underdome is that the lvl61 levelcap and the length of it will take out all challenge that's left of Zombie Island.

[Roros]

It's weird, I feel Moxxi's DLC was the weakest and the one I'd be most disappointed in if I had shelled out full price for it (bought them all on sale), but it's still the one I played the most and had me wanting to play with my other characters.

But yes, I guess it's just "easier" for them to do the redeemable, downloadable codes thing. One big aspect is that it kills the resale value, so no buying it used.

[shawnmck]

That is a real shame if they don't release all the content on a disc.
I too was waiting for this version so as to get all the content, but what is the point now? I know there is a expansion disc with "Zombie Island of Dr Ned" & "Madd Moxie's underdome riot" available on disc, but I was hoping to get the "Secret Armory of General Knoxx" on disc as well.

I wonder if this will also apply to the XB 360 version as well ?
I'm sure the PS3 version can handle all the content easily.

Or will they release a second expansion disc with the Secret Armory of General Knoxx and final expansion on it ?

BTW
I know for some that it's no big deal, or even preferable to down-load games & expansions....but I just simply prefer to have a physical copy of everything.
You could say that I'm anal about it. :p

[shawnmck]

They also did something similar to Gears of War 2 for the XB 360.

I already had the game, but wanted the extra campaign level, so I bought the goty edition and didn't read the box or look into it. When I got it home & opened it I discovered that all it was was Gears of War 2 that had a couple of cards with a code on it that you had to down-load. :(

They also did the same thing with Resident Evil 5 Gold ed., but luckily for me I decided to check before hand (after having learned my lesson with GoW2), and so I found out that yeah, you just get the regular game and it comes with a code to down-load the expansion content. For a much cheaper price I just got the reg ed, and got the Gold ed for the PS3 which has all the extra content on the disc.

So if all this is the same, then I will just buy the goty ed for the PS3 (again) and buy the normal version for the PC as well as the first exp pack for the PC that came out on a disc (if I can still find one) and hope that they eventually release the other expansions on a disc..?

[ASYLUM101]

I think almost all games have started doing this now. Some of them actually don't even put the game on a CD, look at Dawn of War 2. The entire game has to be downloaded through steam, rather than installed from a CD.

Had I known this before I bought the CD version... well, I wouldn't have bought it, I would've gotten it off steam.

[Roros]

My first experience with this was for the Battlefield 2142 expansion. I bought it in a regular dvd case, but once you open it up there's just a piece of paper with a redeemable code.

I don't mind downloading games, but EA's digital service is by no exaggeration by far the worst store I've ever used. It took me hours to get it to work since their site is so unintuitive and hard to use, and I consider myself pretty experienced in buying stuff online, having used steam, impulse, d2d, and various other things for quite a few years.

The best part though (and I'm not even joking), even though I bought the game box, I could only download it for a limited amount of time. If I wanted to extend the time of which I could download it I had to pay extra.
It's now expired and I can't re-download it. If I were to redeem the code again I get a message that I have to buy it again alltogether. Luckily in that particular game's case, they made the expansion free for owners of the base game.

[mamba]

I don't mind downloading games, but EA's digital service is by no exaggeration by far the worst store I've ever used.

I completely agree, I never managed to download my DLC for DragonAge (I believe it is the same store even though it is Bioware, it was published by EA at least). I had to resort to a torrent to get it as eventually my key was registered to me but the download never triggered.

Needless to say I never bought any of their DLC, otherwise I probably would have...

[yerkyerk]

The best part though (and I'm not even joking), even though I bought the game box, I could only download it for a limited amount of time. If I wanted to extend the time of which I could download it I had to pay extra.
It's now expired and I can't re-download it. If I were to redeem the code again I get a message that I have to buy it again alltogether.

Wow, that's just blatantly ripping off and screwing over your consumer base... as if digital downloads weren't cheap enough compared to retail distribution, they saw the need to put further restrictions on it to make it even cheaper and more convenient, for themselves. Man, I have no words for that...

[heron]

So they charged full price for a GOTY edition but left out the DLC?
It's basically telling you the DLC are free if you buy a retail copy of the normal version.
Marketing, lol.

[Opal Monkey]

BTW
I know for some that it's no big deal, or even preferable to down-load games & expansions....but I just simply prefer to have a physical copy of everything.
You could say that I'm anal about it. :p
Amen to that! I know the benefits of digital copies, I just don't feel the same, umm... attachment... to them. I still fondly remember using the cartridges for the N64! I get out Conkers BFD, Super Smash Bros. and Perfect Dark from time to time and play them with my pristine transparent green N64! ... Good times... good times.

I love my physical copies. Even just the look of the brand new discs, and the smell of the fresh plastic.
... Am I sounding creepy right now? Oh, great... I am :o

I think almost all games have started doing this now. Some of them actually don't even put the game on a CD, look at Dawn of War 2. The entire game has to be downloaded through steam, rather than installed from a CD.

My first experience with this was for the Battlefield 2142 expansion. I bought it in a regular dvd case, but once you open it up there's just a piece of paper with a redeemable code.
...
The best part though (and I'm not even joking), even though I bought the game box, I could only download it for a limited amount of time. If I wanted to extend the time of which I could download it I had to pay extra.
It's now expired and I can't re-download it. If I were to redeem the code again I get a message that I have to buy it again alltogether. Luckily in that particular game's case, they made the expansion free for owners of the base game.

This is bull! :mad: If they are going to sell a boxed version it should be required that it have a disk with all required files. If they only want to do digital distribution, then by all means, do it! Just don't try and fool people. I for one would be getting a refund!

The time limit is just one step too far... That's the kind of thing that should cause a company to go under, in my opinion.

Or will they release a second expansion disc with the Secret Armory of General Knoxx and final expansion on it ?
Now that you mention it, I bet your right! Considering they did it with the first 2 DLC packs, and the 4th isn't out until the end of the month. They might just release DLC 3 & 4 at the same time as the GOTY edition. Maybe I'll just wait and see what they do.

I think I would prefer to just get all 4 DLC packs at the same time, however I do it. I hate decisions like that, and it's easier to avoid it by getting them all! :D

Edit: By the way... Does anyone know if playing Borderlands online uses a lot of data? I've just never played any online games, so I don't really know what to expect?

[shawnmck]

BTW

Have you heard the news, that Gearbox has been working on Duke Nukem Forever, and that it will release next year?

Apparently is was shown at PAX 2010 in playable form.

:D

[yerkyerk]

BTW

Have you heard the news, that Gearbox has been working on Duke Nukem Forever, and that it will release next year?

Apparently is was shown at PAX 2010 in playable form.

:D

That is actually true. And with Gearbox Software on it, I'm betting that they'll actually hit the deadline for next year..
I'm also guessing it'll be a subpar title, but meh, that's what you get when overinflating how good the game was and building up expectations for over 12 years...

[Opal Monkey]

Ohhhh Yeah! :cool:

Thank you for telling me about that one! I might just forgive Gearbox and 2K Games for not including hard copies of the Borderlands DLC if they really pull off Duke Nukem Forever!

[shawnmck]

I'm also guessing it'll be a subpar title, but meh, that's what you get when overinflating how good the game was and building up expectations for over 12 years...

Gearbox has only been working on the game for the last 2 or 3 years. Before that 3-D realms was working on it for like forever. But there was some dispute going on when 3D realms got sold or something, which led to Take Two aquiring the other developer, & then there was something going on about what to do with the Duke Nukem Franchise, and who really owns it, or whatever.
Apparently Take Two won out, and have been working on the title & polishing it up for the last few years.

Before Take Two & Gearbox getting a hold of the franchise I would agree with you, but since they got control of it it appears they they really are serious about the franchise.
And I trust Gearbox to do a good game. Maybe not stellar, but it'll be good.

[space-time mogul]

Regarding Duke Nukem Forever: Think that it´s like it was with Indiana Jones 4.
When you´ve been waiting for so long, it´s practically impossible for the developer to deliver a game (or movie) that´s good enough to compensate for those years of waiting.
Plus the hype about Duke Nukem was really only based on Duke Nukem 3D (who would remember the jump'n'run predecessors?).
So people will be judging the game by a feeling/flair/the characteristics of just one single game.
It should be hard to "remain true" to that one game while offering new ideas, and every single "glitch" will most probably fuel the fan's anger about how "this so isn´t Duke Nukem!!1!"...


Regarding the topic: Yeah, recently have had such experiences too.
Like with Silent Hill Homecoming.
Back then I was still waiting for my provider to bring me online.
And after much consideration I bought that game, read carefully what was written on the box, only to be surprised that the game needed an internet connection to install the content that was already on the disc.
Normally I´m not such a gullible guy, but when I had read on the box that you needed "a Steam account", I just had believed that you didn´t need that to install the game but just to download patches and the like.

Because, well, I had bought a game on DVD, so why on earth should I need an internet connection to just install the content on the DVD?
Especially when neither under "system requirements" nor anywhere else on the box an internet connection had been listed?

Turned out, an internet connection was not only required to register a steam account for me to able to install the game, and not only did it look like steam was downloading half of the game from the internet to install what was (or should have been?) on the DVD.
No.
It didn´t even download or offer me to download the critical patch that was to fix quite a few serious bugs.
And downloading the patch as an exe and installing it myself is not possible at all.

When I looked into the matter by reading through the official forums, it became apparent that neither Konami nor Steam care a bit.
This was some fine example of "Now that we have your money, shut up and back off!"-mentality.


Oh, and when i got my Wacom tablet, where it says that some software was included, I found out that I had to download this software as well.
Not only requiring the install codes of the respective software, but having to register my tablets serialnumber as well, just for being able to download the software that should have been included as a DVD right from the beginning!
Jesus Christ...

[R3D]

im also a limited net user in that i currently have to have my pc at the inlaws to get online, i also loath buying a game to get home and find sorry you need the net to install because we have added gfwl or sum such, and the idea to have to be connected tor sp content makes me angry.

also moxi isn't worth the $5.

wait for a super steam sale like last Christmas/perils of summer and get it all for under $20 then go to a lan and get the files from someone's steam apps