So I saw this guy...

[Alek]

Well, maybe I've seen it somewhere, maybe I didn't....

What I want, and most of the players (TQ fans) will agree is:

Sword + Gun (ranged wpn, cross-bow, knife[throw]) dual-wield. It'd be awesome.

[Llama8]

Duel wielding guns would be good (disappointed that S2 didn't have that), though I'm not quite sure how wielding gun+sword would work (other than them both firing/attacking at their given attack speeds) in melee combat...

I'd quite like to see some more ranged weapon types (throwing knives/axes/stars/etc) other than the usual.

[Alek]

This is where I've seen it:
http://www.grimdawn.com/webfiles/graphics_slaying.gif

[karmacappa]

It's interesting to note that it is a black powder weapon. To me it looks kind of like a flintlock pistol. I've seen numbers quoted about the rate of fire being maybe 2-3 shots a minute with these. But more important, we can make a few assumptions about the culture from the picture.

1) They have a good level of metalworking. Their knowledge and skill is of sufficient level to produce a high quality barrel that does not burst under the stresses of a black powder weapon. This quality is widely enough available to outfit individuals with these weapons.

2) They have a class of professional fighters. Flintlock pistols were expensive and not super reliable. For an individual to have a flintlock pistol means that they have invested a significant amount of currency in the ability to send a lead ball out ahead of them to even the odds a bit. Some people used a brace of pistols in order to have more shots available to them before they had to reload. It takes about 20-30 seconds to reload and fire a flintlock pistol.

3) The armor the "hero" is wearing suggests that his enemies mainly use lower tech weapons. One does not generally wear pauldron or spaulders to deflect bullets, but rather to deflect melee weapon strikes.

[Alek]

3) The armor the "hero" is wearing suggests that his enemies mainly use lower tech weapons. One does not generally wear pauldron or spaulders to deflect bullets, but rather to deflect melee weapon strikes.


Actually, from the stories I've heard and read, you can deflect a bullet from a primitive gun such as that one with just few more layers of clothing.

[Malpheas]

Hey Alek,

Now you've seen Jiaco's avatar. Look upside down and near her left foot. That's where the squiggly comes from.

@ Karmacappa - I really like your first post. I like how casual observation should keep the GD staff on their toes as far as referential realism.

cheers,

Malph

[rsy]

Well, maybe I've seen it somewhere, maybe I didn't....

What I want, and most of the players (TQ fans) will agree is:

Sword + Gun (ranged wpn, cross-bow, knife[throw]) dual-wield. It'd be awesome.
Sounds like a "Dante" setup, lol. They should add sword knockback to air juggling with gun combos :D

I'm partial to fist/blunt-type weapons, so I'm hoping to see some knuckles or claws. Remember fallout 3's deathclaw? Ya, good times. :)

But what I'm really curious about:

...the importance of salt as a weapon makes it far too valuable to waste on food.

So.. salt blades? Shotguns with rock salt? Is the post-apocalyptic world invaded by a race of super slugs?

[Malpheas]

So.. salt blades? Shotguns with rock salt? Is the post-apocalyptic world invaded by a race of super slugs?

Or freshwater fish.

[karmacappa]

Actually, from the stories I've heard and read, you can deflect a bullet from a primitive gun such as that one with just few more layers of clothing.

You generally wouldn't wear pauldrons to defend against bullets unless you were in full plate. Can you think of any reason to protect your shoulders from bullet attacks coming from above? It looks to me like he's in a cuirass, pauldrons, and vambraces. From the looks of the sword, he probably fights on foot. If he were fighting against firearms, he would probably not be using the vambraces or pauldrons, lots of weight for what protection they give. However, when you're fighting against melee, it would tend to protect you from overhead strikes or attacks against your extremities.
As to primitive, it's really a matter of relative technology. The power between pistols of that type varied greatly, but I'd worry more about the accuracy than the power. These kinds of pistols were generally close range and packed quite a punch. A few more layers of clothing might've helped against very small caliber projectiles or indirect hits, but flintlocks killed a lot of people during the 200 years that they dominated battlefields around the world.

As to the salt, generally salt has been used for repelling supernatural creatures around the world. In Buddhist and Shinto religions, it was used to purify and drive away evil spirits. So for instance, you throw salt over your shoulder when entering your home after a funeral to drive off spirits clinging to your back. In Sumo wrestling, they throw salt over their shoulders to purify the ring. In European folklore, salt is held to purge negative energy, and a line of salt represents an uncrossable barrier to spirits or vampires. It's generally not presented as fatal, but more to weaken or confine spirits. Then you can follow up with a cold iron blade, which will solve most problems immediately.

[Boaan]

In European folklore, salt is held to purge negative energy, and a line of salt represents an uncrossable barrier to spirits or vampires. It's generally not presented as fatal, but more to weaken or confine spirits. Then you can follow up with a cold iron blade, which will solve most problems immediately.

I am sorry to say, but the bolded part is not true. Trust me, I used to live in Transylvania, nobody there believes in vampires. At least not most sound minded people. We never had any customs against vampires as we never believed in that. Against ghosts, yeah, every country has some stuff against spirits. I dunno, just wanted to let you guys know. Also, I don't know of any surrounding country that doesn't know vampires were first heard of in a book rather than from Romania.

[karmacappa]

I am sorry to say, but the bolded part is not true. Trust me, I used to live in Transylvania, nobody there believes in vampires. At least not most sound minded people. We never had any customs against vampires as we never believed in that. Against ghosts, yeah, every country has some stuff against spirits. I dunno, just wanted to let you guys know. Also, I don't know of any surrounding country that doesn't know vampires were first heard of in a book rather than from Romania.

Please note that I said European folklore. That means that they don't necessarily coincide with modern day beliefs, nor are they limited to the beliefs of a section of Romania.

That being said, many European cultures do have myths about supernatural creatures who cause mischief and death and subsist on blood (not necessarily human blood though). Though these may have significant differences from the creatures presented in The Vampyre or Dracula, they would still probably be lumped into the "vampire" category for convenience. Many of these spirits would have an herb, grain, seed, or mineral that would provide a home some measure of protection from ill meaning spirits.

To be sure, Romania has it's own history of folklore, spirits, and protective charms. While I'm aware that modern day learning has made many people around the world dismissive of such things, people in the past did believe and act on such beliefs. Offhand, I seem to recall that the strigoi and moroi are from Romanian folklore.

[Alek]

I've heard you can fill shotgun shells with salt and use it on something for extra painful shot, but hardly to kill someone. Other than that, salt can "repel some negative things", and since the world of GD is fictional, I'm guessing someone won't like salt :0

[medierra]

As some here have guessed, we've been inspired by the idea of salt, iron, silver, and other such substances that have at one time or another somewhere been attributed properties of repelling or harming maligned spirits.

Some of the enemies in the game won't much like this stuff.

[karmacappa]

I've heard you can fill shotgun shells with salt and use it on something for extra painful shot, but hardly to kill someone. Other than that, salt can "repel some negative things", and since the world of GD is fictional, I'm guessing someone won't like salt :0

Yeah, but rock salt loads are very close range (think 6-20 feet). Also, I don't know how feasible rock salt loads would be without percussion cap technology (which was what came after flintlocks).

Personally, I would imagine you could put things into the lead balls that changed the properties. Like bits of different metals, or essential oils distilled from certain herbs...

[Alek]

Ah yes, they used the iron balls (dunno the english name for it) not shell bullets in flint guns. Thanks.

[Renevent]

If salt is a weapon, I have an idea for a new class:

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/6924/emeril.jpg

[CaptainDingo]

Emeril, why is spaghetti and pepper flying from your ear!?

Emeril used Bam!
It's super effective!
Skeleton fainted!

[karmacappa]

Ah yes, they used the iron balls (dunno the english name for it) not shell bullets in flint guns. Thanks.

Flintlock shotguns were called Blunderbusses. I can't imagine that rock salt would work too well in a blunderbuss though.

[jiaco]

Hey Alek,

Now you've seen Jiaco's avatar. Look upside down and near her left foot. That's where the squiggly comes from.

Malph

What mean you, squiggly?

[yerkyerk]

Anyway, on-topic (third post or so in this thread that's been on-topic);
Well, maybe I've seen it somewhere, maybe I didn't....

What I want, and most of the players (TQ fans) will agree is:

Sword + Gun (ranged wpn, cross-bow, knife[throw]) dual-wield. It'd be awesome.
Yes :)
Make the combination useful - rather than in TL, where it looks badass but avails to nothing.

[Alek]

Hellgate:London had a neat solution, one mouse button, 1 wpn, other mouse button other wpn. Maybe gunpowder weapons and crossbows should have cooldown, rather than attack speed.

[Malpheas]

What mean you, squiggly?

Kind of looks like "My Stepmother's an Alien". Or that dude from her handbag.

[yerkyerk]

So I saw this guy...
http://www.grimdawn.com/webfiles/graphics_slaying.gif
Actually, I think it's a women. Kinda reminds me of a Tolkien hobbit. a rather violent one..
I really like the art for that one.

[alexei]

since monster hate salt, iron and silver, there will be salt, iron and silver resistant? immune to salt?

back on topic: just like yerkyerk said it, make it useful unlike torchlight. sword with shotgun is quite cool.

[Roland]

Well, maybe I've seen it somewhere, maybe I didn't....

What I want, and most of the players (TQ fans) will agree is:

Sword + Gun (ranged wpn, cross-bow, knife[throw]) dual-wield. It'd be awesome.

Perhaps you saw it here? :)

http://www.solomonkane.com/

:cool:

edit: well I "thought" there was a scene where it showed him fighting with blade & gun at the same time...unfortunately it's not in the main trailer, perhaps at some point in the film it will :) lol
Looks to be a simply kick @ss film from all that I've watched thus far!

So yea...sword & gun would be a very fun character combo!

Edit 2: it just hit me!!!!

Hellgate: London allowed this :)